If Ward had of fought Bute before Froch beat him...

hindsight IS a wonderful thing. use it. everything else you said comes as a result of the beginning of your very last sentence, that "Bute would still be a tough fight for Ward." that's where we're in disagreement. i'll leave it at that.

 

Great post, agreed. Dawson IS the second best option though, just not as good as it would have been if Ward beat Bute for his 0.

 

Styles makes fights, stop being so short sighted. You state opinion as fact which quite funny really. Froch has one helluva chin, who is to say that Ward would not become reluctant when one of those nasty straight left detonates on Ward's jaw or one off those short left uppercuts connects with Wards gut. We can speculate all we want but when push comes to shove not one person truly knows what would happen until both fighters are between the ropes. Froch done what Ward was so reluctant to do and that was to face Bute in the 1st place.

 

I think Bute loses a clear decision (9-3 or so) or suffers a late, cumulative type TKO to Ward. Just because he couldn't handle Froch's power doesn't mean he gets obliterated by Ward.

 

Hindsight can be a wonderful thing, it can also be an utterly terrible way of breaking down a fighters resume. You telling me its fine that Ward could sit back and say "I didnt face Bute when he was at his most dangerious and everyone wanted to see the fight, but its fine because he ultimately lost anyway because a different guy stepped up to the mark and got their hands dirty instead of myself". Hindsight in this instance is terrible and gives Ward a frankly stupid excuse for an important fight not happening.

 

styles make fights, you're right, but it's unnecessary for the style of bute and ward to ever step in the same ring professionally, unless bute puts himself back in good standing. froch fought bute instead of ward. ward made it clear that he wanted bute to prove himself against an elite super middleweight before stepping in there with him. bute took that challenge and faced froch. he failed miserably, epically in fact, against the same guy ward utterly dominated. all credit to froch. SCRATCH completely, any point to a bute-ward fight, unless bute proves that he and ward should fight. oh, and that nasty straight left you're talking about, would never hit ward, because as I said before, ward would be smothering bute on the inside because of bute's lack of physical strength.

 

I think so. I really do. he may not get stopped but he gets dominated.

 

call it stupid, I call it legitimate. difference of opinion.

yeah, "a different guy stepped up to the mark and got their hands dirty instead of myself, but it's okay, because I utterly dominated the guy who got his hands dirty, so in the end, bute should re-establish himself if he wants a crack at me."

 

Sure Froch did what Ward should have done but you can see that Bute is mentally weak and melted down in grand fashion on the big stage. Ward is not mentally weak he wasn't intimadated by a guy who can get into your head like Froch. He beat Froch on the inside and outboxed him on the outside and even hurt Froch in their fight. He would have had his way with Bute who isn't in either's class. He wold have absolutely wrecked him on the inside and outboxed him from outside. Like I've said before Ward would have beaten Bute worse than PBF beat Gatti.:deal Bute is the biggest hypejob of this era.

 

Pimp C!

 

It's great to get a differing opinon without getting called a name or told I don't know ****. Wish more posters knew how to do this.

 

Highly doubt Ward tries to fight Bute on the inside. He'd most likely do the huggy stuff that he did with Bika which would be the most effective way to neutralize his best weapons which are Bute's left hands in close.

 

yeah man, not saying I wouldnt abuse a guy who deserved it. you aren't the kind of guy who deserves that sort of treatment. you're a smart, level headed dude with boxing knowledge. I respect that. I can't say that about other guys.

 

No styles makes fights which is why its still no forgone conclusion that Ward would run over Bute, it really doesnt make it ok that the fight did not happen in the first place, when the fight was very much relevent and everyone wanted to see it. Ward proves himself by fighting Bute. Ward does not prove himself when Froch does the business in the ring because Ward wouldnt step upto the mark himself. It never distracts from my opinion anyway that Ward simply didnt want it and was lucky or unlucky depending on your views that Froch got there first. Its simply not ok that now Bute has lost that people just forget that a fight didnt happen, it was important and the fans got robbed.

 

Why wouldn't he? When has Bute shown he can beat Elite fighters on the inside? Ward on the other hand has shown the ability to beat elite fighters on the inisde outside mid range you name it. Ward can fight at all ranges with sound defense and a high ring IQ he's a stylistic nightmare for anyone at 168 with the exception of Dawson and possibly Dirrell. While Bute is nothing but a mentally weak stay at home when I finally face a live body get brutally stopped hypejob.:deal