Joe Calzaghe vs Chris Eubank Better Resume

Kissing Eubank's ass as usual i see. Look they were both great tough fighters and i don't see the need to argue otherwise and they both have some fantastic wins on their records and you actualyl made some good points here, but here are some others.

When Eubank beat Benn the first time, Benn was a one-dimensional puncher and fighter and anyone with a good chin and good technically (as Eubank, Watson and Calzaghe were) would have beaten him. I thought Watson won the first fight, and the secon tragic fight once again showed Eubank's toughness and durability, but he was still being totally outboxed until you know what happned.

Lindell Holmes was about 10 years older than Eubank and past his prime when they fought. And as for the likes of Thornton and Malinga your not seriously suggesting Calzaghe would have lost to them are you?

 

The major difference is that Calzaghe was dominant over his opposition, whereas Eubank had several razor-thin decisions.

Aside from Reid and Hopkins, there aren't really any fights you can argue that Calzaghe lost.

With Eubank, you can make a case that he lost to Sherry, Watson, Malinga, Close (both fights), Benn (second fight), Amaral and Schommer. That isn't to say that I think he lost all of those fights, but he was extremely fortunate to get to Collins with his unbeaten record intact. He got the benefit of the doubt in most fights, clearly lost to Watson first time round, and Schommer was one of the worst decisions of the decade.

Of the two, Eubank is by far my favourite, but Calzaghe was clearly the better fighter with the better record.

 

mind you, you could argue that a prime Eubank would have dominated all of Calzaghe's opponents whose quality was thinner spread.


he just would never have lasted as long as Calzaghe as a champ, he wasnt cut that way.

 

That may well be true but here's a question and please be sensible about this. Of all the people Eubank beat who do you think were good enough to beat Calzaghe? The only one i'd give a chance is maybe Michael Watson on a VERY good night.

 

You cannot make a case that he lost to Sherry, Watson, Malinga, Close (either fight) or Amaral. Especially Watson and Malinga - Eubank won both those fights by six rounds, clearly.

 

Benn and Lindell Holmes were far more dangerous punchers than Hopkins ever was or an old Jones, or Mitchell, (or Salem).

 

Watson yes, he could match Calzaghe on neutral ground.

Benn would be dangerous against anyone, there is something in his mind thats animal. Zhags not a great defender nor chin could be dropped by a big fast puncher but he always recovered VERY fast, so the problem wasnt his head, it was in his legs....still, its hard to win a fight in which you keep getting dropped. Depends which Benn turns up, will he keep up enough pressure to stop JC, or will he opt for skill, in which case Benn will get outspeeded and outstamina-ed.

 

Its a tough one as they both have fantastic SMW resumes as well as resumes all round.
Listing world champs and notable wins

For Eubank -
Benn x 2
Watson x 2
Malinga
Holmes
Rocchigiani
Wharton

For Calzaghe -
Kessler
Lacy
Mitchell
Hopkins
Jones
Reid
Veit x 2
Brewer
Woodhall
Eubank

Overall I would say Calzaghe but it is close

 

One is simply the best, the other is Christofer Eubanks.

 

To be fair I wasn't boxing in Eubanks era, so I don't know how to judge his resume, but Lacy,Jones,Eubanks,Hopkins are hardly countable for obvious reasons. Veit,Brewer and Woodhall aren't that good wins either.
Leaves

Kessler
Mitchell
Reid against a lot of Eubanks wins.

 

Holmes wasnt as big a puncher as you are trying to make out. When against decent comp he wasnt a massive puncher and not as good a puncher as old Jones or Mitchell.
You mention Salem as Calzaghe was at a bad time in his life and not focused and got caught full on, yet got up and won clearly. Do you think Salem was a bigger puncher than Kessler or Lacy? I dont. Knockdowns happen. Look how Eubank got put down by Calzaghe but stayed up against the massive punching Thompson

 

oh dear. honestly, you people should know better by now than to take the bunny out of the box. Prepare for some serious mouse scrolling and subsequet index finger repetitive strain injury.

 

- Lacy has a better resume than alot of the top current SMWs consider he beat world rated Vanderpool, world rated Tsypko who holds a win over current WBA int champ Magee, world rated Pemberton, Sheika and world rated Reid.

- Jones was the #6 LHW and just look at say Froch against Ward, where Froch has a low workrate and tell me do you think the version of Jones that Calzaghe beat which was faster and harder punching with a higher workrate would have lost to that version of Froch? I dont think so.

- Woodhall beat Branco a top world rated SMW who beat Reid and G Johnson and who became WBA LHW champ, beat WBC champ Malinga, beat world rated former WBC SMW champ Nardiello, beat future WBC SMW champ Catley

- Hopkins was beaten sandwiched between his best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik and has only recently been beaten at LHW years after Calzaghe beat him and that was against the names Tarver, Wright, Pavlik, Pascal, Jones, Dawson

- Veit. The win Calzaghe had over Veit was a very good victory.
The first time Calzaghe beat Veit, Veit was 30-0 and hadnt beaten anyone of real note, hence he was blown away in a round by Calzaghe.
When Calzaghe beat Veit a 2nd time Veit was an accomplished world rated 45-1 SMW int world champ who had some solid victories behind him, and was top 10 rated.
Veit had beaten undefeated Dziarra who wasnt a great fighter but did go on to beat L Mock and undefeated M Oral who would go on to challenge MW champs A Abraham and S Sylvester recently.
Veit had also beaten beaten undefeated Guerrero for the European union title.
Veit beat future title challenger Salem and Mock.
Veit also beat world rated C Brewer with an educated destructive 9th round KO.
A note on Veit. He only ever lost to world champs or fighters who became world champs and has victories over Mock, Salem, Perdermo (a future Kessler challenger), Brewer when Brewer was world rated and Veit beat undefeated Braehmer who became the WBO LHW champ, a belt he never lost in the ring.
A good Calzaghe victory over a mandatory world class SMW
Also a great away victory for Calzaghe in Germany

- Eubank compare Calzaghes victory over him and Wards over Kessler and tell me how far apart they were

So many people rate Wards win over Kessler as something special yet dont rate Calzaghes victory over Eubank. Why?

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss


Both of them also had other top 10 SMW names on their resumes. As said I think its close but give to Calzaghe



So why is one victory so highly rated and not the other??

 

Lindell took out Sanderline Williams, who went the distance with Benn and McClellan as well as Barkley, Toney and others. The left uppercut he hit Steve Darnell with was the hardest punch I've ever seen - the guy was 3ft off the ground horizontal!