Carlos Monzon (Ripped by Sports Illustrated)

That was a fight a had a chance to go to and didn't. Big big regret now and it was the only chance ever to see King Carlos in America.

What folks don't realize that had not followed the sport was the disrespect the guy got in America. Everyone knew he was special but the media did not like the guy 1 iota. Very similar to what Lennox Lewis had to go through when the love was for Bowe and then even a guy like Grant in the U.S. But not much for Lennox for a long long time.

I also missed out on a chance to see Bob Foster and I didn't go the Ali/Young bout for free. I thought that would be a horrible bout and now I really wished I had gone to it.

Any fights back then you chose not to attend?

 

Well put.

The funny thing is, > Ali all emphasis is on speed. And flash. That's not what Carlos Monzon ever did.

I love that section in the book by Fraser Scott about fighting Carlos. He said the guy forced you to throw the punches you knew you shouldn't be throwing against him. Very interesting and very crucial observation and he mentions just what you mentioned--actually being in the ring with him and not the training tactics for the fight. But in recent times, how high does that unique skill rate to most observers?

Or the fact the guy knew what he had to do to win fights. That's as important of a skill as anything but most folks seem to think everyone is equal in that department. Far from it and there are tons of guys that needed that attribute for their careers and never enough of it.

 

Monzon did have a terrific chin .. Valdez was a huge puncher and the shot he Carlos w was flush and nasty and Carlos bounced right up .. he was however far more hurt ion the ninth round v.s. Briscoe ... he was out on his feet and openly asking cornermen how much longer was left in the round as he clinched ... that was something ..

 

It is interesting that you bring up Monzon being a murderer in his post fight career but never brought up SRR's women beating ways, not just any woman mind you but a pregnant one who miscarried several times. In some jurisdictions if you kill a pregnant woman you will be charged with double homicide because of the baby she is carrying.

Try to be consistent, either throw the book at every fighter guilty of serious crimes (SRR, LaMotta & many others) when you mention their names or stick to discussing their Boxing achievements in a thread about that.

It doesn't prove much but it is a bit of available info in terms of common opponents.

What is indeed proven is that SRR lost a repeatedly at MW in comparison to Monzon & was not the same caliber fighter he was at WW. Hero worship blinds you to things like that.

Hero worship also makes you unable to see things like SRR being almost KO'd by Artie Levine (where he was given a long count & where the ref allegedly walked him to his corner before he began the count) & dropped by others while bringing up the flash KD by Valdez from which Monzon was back up right away.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IVRIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2P8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6567,1146945&hl=en

Hero worship also makes you unable to take your premises to their logical conclusion in the case of other fighters, that if not moving up in weight is somehow a blot on Monzon then it should be so on Hagler.

About the mention of Tyson, again if you have a valid argument then there is no need to set up your own ridiculous strawmen like the claim that Monzon fans have him licking Tyson.

You may think him being in Top 3 is absurd, everyone has an opinion & fortunately for us the opinion in the Boxing community as a whole has him there if not at # 1 on many peoples list.

 

Amongst Mike Tyson's many infractions is his charming habit of snatching purses from little old ladies when he was a mere "yout" (that's Brooklynese for "youth". This has never affected any Tyson fan.

 

Condemning a fighter because of their criminal misdeeds is sheer hypocrisy. You may as well not even follow the sport and instead stick to tennis..with their pouty, narcissistic ***gots as the norm.

 

Maybe I am, lol,..maybe I need to wake up again. But thank you for that Cosellesque observation Sr Pepe'

 

I'm not sure what truculent means, but if its good, red is it.

 

Depends on whether you can separate the man from the fighter. Many can. One should be able to.


It seems perfectly logical to me to say "Monzon was great, but I hate his ass." I dare say most here have echoed that sentiment about somebody.

 

He was a despicable man in his private life...but i'm sure you'd deem Liston, Tyson, LaMotta, Duran, SRR, and scores of others the same way if you personally were the recipients of their out of the ring ill will. I completely seperate the man in the ring from their out of the ring personnea. like i said, you'd be better off just forgetting about boxing rather than be so weighted down with a fighter's outside the ring crimes and misdeeds.

 

SP, was there any serious discussion about Monzon fighting Rodriguez when he was rated?