Joe Calzaghe vs Chris Eubank Better Resume

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  1. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tony Thornton was a cut above Henry Wharton.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Im not saying he wasnt a fair puncher, but you have built it up. He was a solid puncher and when a punch lands right it can look amazing. Think of Kesslers KO of Green who went the distance with E Miranda or even still, think of the fact Ottke KOd Mundine who went the distance with Kessler and Echoles.
    Point is you are building it all up a bit. Holmes was a fair solid puncher but not quite the monster you are trying to portray
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Debateable. I would say they were reasonanbly even. I would personally put Wharton above
     
  4. Box-Fan

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    Yeah, but like i already pointed out Holmes was shot when Eubank fought him and Calzaghe had a good chin and was a far better boxer than Benn at the time Eubank beat him. Calzaghe would have beaten the holmes and Benn Eubank beat no problem imo
     
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    Calzaghe would have just been too good technicly for Benn imo. Benn of course had a punchers chance but i'd Calzaghe would win 9 out of 10.
     
  6. sas6789

    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree, Eubank was a great fighter but he was a lucky boy to have kept his unbeaten record for as long as he did

    Benn had a punchers chance against Calzaghe but Holmes all i've seen of him is the Eubank fight, which to his credit he held his own and was clearly past his best. I would really like to see more of hime fight, but judging by his record he was clearly not in Calzaghe's league in fact not even close.

    That is impressive but we don't know the detials around that it could have been stopped on a cut.
     
  7. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    I have to go with Calzaghe on this one as well
     
  8. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I have the fight and Lindell hits Sanderline so hard with a right hook his legs almost went from beneath him like he was on a speeding treadmill and ref jumped in.
     
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    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]The biggest punchers in boxing aren't always able to deliver knockouts on command, a fact of life the paying customers sometimes are unwilling to accept. So, when it became apparent that KO artist Lindell Holmes[/SIZE][/FONT]
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    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Really? I remeber just recently i started a thread on Lindell Holmes and you said you didn't know the details of that fight but you'd like to know
     
  11. whopperdong

    whopperdong "sorry dan, im the man" Full Member

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    Didnt Eubanks take that fIght on 2 weeks notice while training for a lhw bout which was his first after returning from retirement ? Alot of ppl also say that Eubanks was never the same fighter after The Watson bout.

    It's sad cause everyone knows calz best win "robbery" is against an old man in Hopkins.
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Both Eubank and Calzaghe were in training for fights on the same night.
    Calzaghe against S Collins and Eubank against M Prince.
    Eubank had fought less than 7 months previously and 5 months before that..

    As for Hopkins

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    1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
    2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
    3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
    4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
    5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
    a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
    b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
    c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
    d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
    e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
    f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
    g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
    h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
    i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

    I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

    6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
    7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
    8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
    9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.




    Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
    Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
    Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

    What I do note is that nobody seems to mind Hopkins lost to Taylor. In the first Hopkins/Taylor fight, Jermaine was badly hurt and Hopkins looked the stronger at the end, yet it seems to upset alot of these people that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Appears very biased.
     
  13. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I got hold of it soon after.

    I also have Lindell against Herol Graham and that was close and competitive until a Graham butt ended it on cuts.
     
  14. whopperdong

    whopperdong "sorry dan, im the man" Full Member

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    There's a clip floating around on YouTube dissecting the fight and while narrator does talk some nonsense he has some valid points. Mayb u should watch it the evidence is there and shows that calz didn't beat an old man.

    Hopkins was also old wen he lost to Taylor. The fact that hopkins can still beat good fighters doesn't mean he not way past his best.
     
  15. bailey

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    Lindell may have landed the perfect punch in one fight, but not this KO monster you try and paint. H Graham didnt seem to have the best chin and was taking odd shots