The Ring: Victor Ortiz in the hospital awaiting surgery

The two go hand in hand. Ortiz has no heart and no chin. Once his shaky jaw gets tagged, he goes dirty. Then, as the fight goes on and he's not in complete control, his ticker gives out.

 

People defending him are his die hard fans regardless the injury i've seen boxers fight their hearts out, you can call it stupid but you're not a boxer in the first place. Fact is, he did quit, his corner wanted him to continue, he wanted to quit, he told the referee : no more.
He's done this 3 times now in his career and people has got to stop trying to defend this quitter, he ain't mexican.

 

I have no problem with Vic stopping for that type of injury. We can't expect athletes to be more educated and aware and continue risking their lives with reckless abandonment. Especially athletes who have almost obtained college educations and showed the ability to live a fruitful and prosperous life.

With that said I do have a problem with Garcia saying he played a part in Voc stopping the fight. You can clearly see Garcia not wanting Vic to tell the ref he quit with Garcia saying "no, no" or some **** like that. I hope I'm wrong and I misheard, but I'm pretty sure.

 

Just 'seen' it somewhere and started a thread. Pretty disgusting act.
[url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412439[/url]

 

My bet would be that most of those fighters were either extremely disadvantaged in life or were from a time where they weren't educated on the detrimental consequences of continuing with certain injuries. Anyone who thinks that fighters like SRR or Ali would have fought the same way if they were able to make money like today's fighters or would have continued knowing the consequences of repetitive concussive forces and the direct correlation to diseases like Parkinsons are only deluded fools. IMHO only real puzzies in life put their lives and livelihood in danger without necessity when they have kids and families that rely and care for them.

 

Watch the fight a few rounds earlier Ortiz whispered to Garcia that something was wrong. Not sure what round it was.

 

But he didn't go and battle toe to toe for 12 rounds and this isn't the first time he's quit.

I understand giving someone a pass once. Vitali gets a pass. Mike Tyson gets a pass. Duran gets a pass. But to say guys like Ortiz can get a pass but Bernard Hopkins can't?

When Bernard Hopkins quit against Chad Dawson Chad basically called him a punk, and had a look of disdain on his face and no one in here thought that Hopkins should be treated like some sorta warrior and I think Hopkins was as hurt as Ortiz.

Yes a broken jaw hurts, and it's dangerous, but if the only argument they got is "hey your jaw wasn't broken so you shouldn't talk", well other boxers have had their jaws broken and continued and other boxers have been quitters. Oliver McCall quitin the middle of his fight with Lennox Lewis and had a nervous breakdown in the middle of the fight.

That is called quitting. Let's not give Ortiz a pass. He had his pass already. At some point he has to accept that he quit and stop hiding behind managers and trainers and apologize to the fans. Fans don't pay to see him quit, in fact quitting is the most insulting thing a boxer can do to the fans.

 

If Ortiz doesn't need the money he should retire from the sport.

Yes people are severely financially disadvantaged. The economy sucks and Ortiz is a minority. Hispanics have like 25% unemployment if not higher and he is lucky enough to be able to make money, but he's complaining about taking punches, refusing to get up after being knocked down, and quitting when he has a broken jaw.

Yes please do make this into a debate above the average joe. The average Joe sacrifces more than Ortiz. I'm sure there are average Joes on this forum who go to work injured, who have all sorts of health issues, or who have played a sport or worked through an injury in the past.

To think only boxers have to work hard is ridiculous and insulting. Everyone has to work hard and everyone gets injured and works injured.

 

I'm a Die Hard boxing fan, Ortiz is a dirty fighter and he doesn't keep his cool under fire. But, the guy had a broken jaw, it would be stupid to continue and as it looks it happened eariler. So, for your case he did fight with it broken. He doen't handle the frustrations that present themselves to him in the boxing ring very well. In short the guy has anger issues I would think stemming from his child hood. what do I know really, NADA. So now Keyboard tough guy crawl out from everywhere talking about he quit. How long would you have been able to take it a beating with a broken jaw, everyone not Tarver or Ali. Both guys still lost.

 

Are you serious wow, if you don't like the guy fine, but I would venture to think you have some serious issues. Where I work I can get blown up any day I go in, I still don't even try to compare it to boxing. There are guys out there who don't have the talent of an Ortiz and yeah fight for their pay check and end up like Ali, Hearns, Bowe, Roach or Mcclellan. When I go to work we do everything not to get blown up, when boxers go to work everything they do can end them at any moment. They're in the fire, I play around on the out side holding the fire in.

 

I really don't even know how to respond to this post because it's riddled with ignorance and plain silliness. No one is saying anything about people having to work with injuries in life, but if you don't think participating in sports like boxing or football on a pro level is different than most avg Joe's lives is pretty fvcking ******ed. Last time I checked when I get hurt on the job I have the option to sue my employer or collect disability at the very least.

 

Victor Ortiz is a Gent and a Scholar! Most of the morons that are bashing Victor don't have a clue. You've never stepped in a ring, you've never had a broken jaw. In fact most of you are virgins that are cowards. :hi:

 

Watched it earlier. Saw that but don't remember the round because I wasn't looking for it. It still doesn't square with what Victor said after the fight. He clearly states his team wanted him to go on.

 

Yup, the truth was spoken by Schaefer. Lets not forget that he (Ortiz) is the reason we tuned in saturday night.

I swear, some boxing fans are the ones that need to grow some balls and quit acting like bitches. It just seems like there is no pleasing a lot of these so called fans.

Ortiz gave us a great fight. Much better than the Pacquiao vs. Bradley bs we got. Still, no love.