The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

This is where most people tend to get lost in their own delusions. What constitutes "evidence" when we are talking about PEDs? A simple look back in history would tell someone it's performance based assessments. With PED use and athletics the athlete is guilty until proven innocent. They essentially "prove" their innocence by subjecting themselves to testing; whether adequate or not is beyond the scope of this point. Since boxing has such an inadequate testing system it is not unfathomable that a participating athlete would question his competition if "signs" might indicate use of something other than hard work and dedication; pun intended.

Someone playing stupid or ignorant might ask "what signs" indicate such and most rational/logical people might say "who in boxing's history has come up from 106 class all the way to 154 and not only beat opponents, but broke orbital bones and seemingly carried up his power if not increased it". Armstrong didn't nor did Duran and neither did just about anyone else you can think of in this game. Manny seems to be the anomoly and inverse to what thousands of fighters have shown us over the years...as fighters age they tend to decrease in most physical attributes applicable to boxing, not increase. When track athletes shatter records what is the first thing we think of; these athletes that do undergo significant testing? You guessed it; possible PED use.

Now, some of the illogical choose to try and flip the argument by indicating Floyd has shown "actual" evidence and set a precedence for Manny's atypical 10 million dollars per lb weight penalty. This is a rather weak argument for two reasons:

1. Floyd has never missed a division weight in his career and was actually the champ coming down to fight a lower vision guy at a CW they set. He was taking the most risk of making weight because of the state of the current 24 hr weigh in game.

2. On two occasions Pac has missed weight during his career, with the latter coming while a crowned divisional champion and subsequent forfeiture. If anyone has set precedence in their career it would seem Manny has more so than Floyd, but surely at the very least it's a wash.

With all of that said, many did not suspect Pac of using anything until his outright refusal and evasion. I argued years ago when Pac was at 130 that he had the physical body to compete at WW. I saw scientific rationale that could explain this weight and power increase phenomenon that some use to be suspicious of PED use. But, his actions after he was called out on it steered me the other way. Me, being a PED advocate and having enough experience and knowledge to reasonably tell myself that he is likely hiding something. So, you can see how what many claim as no "evidence" is actually really evidence when applied in the context of drug use and testing and why Floyd was never really out of his right to request Manny to partake in more extensive testing.

 

the highlighted part is true, but everything after that is bull****....you can make anyone seem shady...

NO ONE took a test on the rubio card, so why zero in on chavez ???

6 people in the bathroom
manny steward went on for a week asking if chavez took a test...now that he's clean, all of a sudden someone from his team was there and was told "that was the drug test" :rofl get the **** outta here with that ****....

 

Oh my bad, someone said before it was a court order but i think I remember it was only a cease and desist order . . . yup basically a legal threat.

That does not undermine the rest of my post that I have made in this thread.

 

You make some pretty valid points here, Especially about Mannys refusal to test, Question, why havent you all added Hopkins to the list of the usual suspects? The man refused to test when Pascal suggested he take da test?

I am just curious is it not okay for Manny to refuse yet others may get a pass based on weather or not you support or like them as a fighter?

 

If Pascal would have tried to put it in negotiations instead of at a press conference with the fight already signed you'd have a valid point.

 

I wasnt talking to you besides Hopkins wasnt going to agree to it, would not agree to it so how can you put that in the contract when he simply would not agree, its no different than Mayweather and Pacquiao

 

This.

Also, if Hopkins provided a bunch of crappy excuses the he'd get more scrutiny as well.

 

:good:good

 

Nothing was put in any contract with Manny, cus no contract exist for them to fight, so really the reality is there is no difference here Manny Floyd is the same as Pascal and Hopkins

 

Honestly, I have no list. I'm rather impartial and just pointing out the hypocrisy many try and layout on this subject and how it relates to Pac or Floyd. My personal opinion is someone taking PEDs for the first time during their pro career is likely not much different than a person taking it sometime during their amateur days and fighting on with the expected "performance gains". People seem to forget that for many anabolics or PEDs, once you exceed those genetic limitations your body has inherently applied, you essentially have cheated the rest of the way. That's why I am all for proper and legitimate application of PEDs that do not show significant acute risk to health. All of this concern over testing is about as important and relevant as the drug war the DEA has imposed on the American people for the last 30+ years. Allow them and ensure the athletes do so with the greatest emphasis put on safety, education and proper application.

 

Fair enough. My apologies

 

The idea proposed in this thread that Montoya acts like a trained journalist makes me laugh. This guy is a forum poster who is glorified and writes the same sort of cruddy **** that most forum posters write. His writing style is rudimentary, his fact checking is even worse, he writes opinions and passes them off as fact and he has no impartiality.

At this rate, he'll probably end up on HBO.

 

:rofl

 

I could care less what contracts were or weren't there, my point still stands IF pascal wanted testing from the very start, and Hopkins turned it down causing the fight to fall through- your opinion would be much more valid.

 

Blatant attempt to take the topic of conversation away from Manny Pacquiao, why?