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Only 25% of Jimmy Wilde's opposition had winning records

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Ah, Jimmy Wilde
Number 18 in Bert Sugar's 100 greatest boxers.
interesting read if anyone is curious

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Slyk said: ↑

Just find it hilarious that arm-chair boxers try to **** on the opposition of currently active future greats, and in the same breath try to tell you Jimmy Wilde is a top 10 P4P ATG, and a monster puncher.

75% of the people he fought didn't have winning records. This guy makes Chavez Jr. look like Evander Holyfield with his level of opposition.
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I'm afraid you're suffering from a condition known as Boxrecisis.

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So boxrec isn't a legit source of info on a fighter. And there's no footage of him...sounds like a perfect fighter for brittards to build a legend around.

By the way, if boxrec magically had all data supporting Wilde, his opponents ratings could go down rather than up.

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We know who was the only one to KTFO Jimmy Wilde inside 12 rounds, don't we?They only other time he got stopped was in

round 17 twice as per boxrec, wtf!! that's insane ****.Round 17.. they are still alive? It only takes 7 rounds.Ask Pancho Villa.

The only way anyone can fight 17 rounds. Is if they pack it up in round 12 go home get some sleep come back the next

morning and proceed to beat the crap out of each other.

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PIPO23 said: ↑

We know who was the only one to KTFO Jimmy Wilde inside 12 rounds, don't we?They only other time he got stopped was in

round 17 twice as per boxrec, wtf!! that's insane ****.Round 17.. they are still alive?
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And he KO'd him in his prime too

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Slyk said: ↑

So boxrec isn't a legit source of info on a fighter. And there's no footage of him...sounds like a perfect fighter for brittards to build a legend around.

By the way, if boxrec magically had all data supporting Wilde, his opponents ratings could go down rather than up.
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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igryTKKR2Nw[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKZdcBFE_7Q&feature=related[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k7z50MwPKk&feature=related[/ame]

Dumb, lazy Pole starts a poorly researched troll thread :hi:

Wilde is widely regarded as one of the greatest ever flyweights & greatest ever p4p punchers with good reason.

Try harder next time PoleTroll

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JoeCamelTow said: ↑

And he KO'd him in his prime too
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They must of been feather hitters took 17 rounds to dispose of Mr Wilde?

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^didnt know I was polish. I will inform my parents.

And now I will watch some grainy black and white footage of the top 10 ATG.

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DrMo said: ↑

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k7z50MwPKk&feature=related

Dumb, lazy Pole starts a poorly researched troll thread :hi:

Wilde is widely regarded as one of the greatest ever flyweights & greatest ever p4p punchers with good reason.

Try harder next time PoleTroll
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Black and white films are funny as hell! :rofl Nice KO.

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He sounds like a typical bum, enjoying posthumous success because he beat other bums in the dark ages of boxing

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Slyk said: ↑

^didnt know I was polish. I will inform my parents.

And now I will watch some grainy black and white footage of the top 10 ATG.
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They arent your parents, stop kidding yourself

Go find a respected boxing historian, or even a decent poster on here who has Wilde in their all time p4p top10 & then come back.

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DrMo said: ↑

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k7z50MwPKk&feature=related

Dumb, lazy Pole starts a poorly researched troll thread :hi:

Wilde is widely regarded as one of the greatest ever flyweights & greatest ever p4p punchers with good reason.

Try harder next time PoleTroll
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Villa looked like he was getting soundly outboxed until he nailed him with the KO shots

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Slyk still vying with Vlad23 for " biggest bell-end on the forum " title i see.

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Squire said: ↑

He sounds like a typical bum, enjoying posthumous success because he beat other bums in the dark ages of boxing
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Couldn't agree more. Many of these black and white "legends" are glorified bum beaters with woeful technique. Yet some idiots try to make the case for them being dominant today.

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Taken from the encyclopedia thread on the Brit forum...

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Name: Jimmy Wilde

Date: 12 / 5 / 1892 - 10 / 3 / 1969
Weight: Flyweight
Height: 5′ 2½″/ 159cm
Reach: 66″ / 168cm

Boxing Record: 134 (100) - 4 (3) - 2 (Newspaper Decisions 4-1-0)

Born in Wales in 1892 to the son of a coal miner, Jimmy Wilde, aka 'the mighty atom', started boxing at the age of 16 in local fair grounds where he would challenge local hard men in order to make ends meat. The onlooking crowds gasped in amazement as Wilde took on, and beat, all comers regardless of their size and weight, often scoring knockouts against men twice his size.

Officially, Wilde turned professional in December 1910, where the young Welshman fought a no contest with Les Williams in Pontypridd. This somewhat medicore start was not, however, a sign of things to come as 'little Jimmy' embarked on a 103 unbeaten run, seeing him capture the British 7 stone championship with an eighth round KO of Billy Padden, a relitive novice from Glasgow.

Wilde's impressive winning streak came to an end, however, when he challenged Tancy Lee for the vacant European Flyweight Title. Wilde, outweighed officially by almost a stone, was finally stopped in the 17th round (of twenty) after his corner stopped the bout. What is intresting to note, however, is that a week before the bout, Jimmy Wilde came down with the flu, and was even physically sick moments before the fight.

Wilde, seemingly aggravated by his first professional loss, then embarked on a brutal 16 fight KO winning streak, winning the British Flyweight title against Joe Symonds (58-9-5), stopping him in the twelfth.

Just three fights later, Wilde would win the IBU 'World' Flyweight title, defeating Johnny Rosner in the 11th. (The IBU, while claiming to be a world organisation, was only recognised in Europe.) This run also saw Wilde stop Sid Smith, a veteran of almost 80 fights.

Feeling unbeatable, Wilde fought twice on the 13th May 1916, defeating both Joe Magnus and ****** Saunders in less than five rounds apiece at the Woolwich Dockyard. On the 26th June of that year, Wilde would avenge his only loss to date, stopping Trancy Lee in the 11th.

Later that year, 'The Mighty Atom' officially became the first World Flyweight Champion by stopping the colourfully named Young Zulu Kid in the 11th. The fight, scheduled for 20, came to an end just after the half way mark when Wilde landed a crushing left to the jaw of 'the Kid', causing the American's corner to throw in the towel. Just three months later, Wilde would unify the World title with the British and European titles, stopping George Clark in four.

Jimmy Wilde continued winning until the 12th December 1918, when he was defeated by the then Bantamweight World Champion Memphis Moore (54-6-13), an opponent who was rumoured to outweigh Wilde by 14 pound on fight night. Like his first defeat against Lee, Wilde, somewhat dubiously, won the rematch against Moore, defeating the American on points over twenty rounds. In 1920, Wilde also defeated the likes of Frankie Mason (62-5-11), Battling Al Murray (26-4), and Patsy Wallace in a bout which drew the then largest crowd in Canadian boxing history.

Wilde's career was to end with dissapointing back to back defeats. In 1921 he was knocked out by Pete Herman (49-9-6) in the 17th and, after a two year retirement, lost to Pancho Vella (62-4-3), the Pilipino all time great, via a 7th round stoppage, sending the Welshmen into retirement for the final time.

Jimmy Wilde's record, however, doesn't do him justice. While finishing with a record of 137-4-2 with 100 knockouts, Wilde himself claimed to have fought over 800 times, winning the majority. Wilde's knock out ratio suggests he was an all action slugger who threw bombs in an attempt to knock his opponent out. This, however, wasn't the case, as Wilde was a master of defence, often making opponents look foolish by weaving onslaughts and poping out the jab with a smile on his face. One expert referred to him as 'A ghost with a hammer in his hand'. Wilde's Boxrec records also do not do him justice. Many of his opponents, particularly in his early years, are shown to have very few fights. This, however, is misleading, as the lower weights at the time were very rarely covered during this period of British boxing.

In 1990, Wilde was elected into the Boxing Hall of Fame and, two years later, was voted into the Welsh Sports Hall of Fame. A decade later, Ring Magazine voted Wilde as the 3rd greatest puncher of all time, behind the great Joe Louis and equally great Sam Langford.

Jimmy Wilde died as a result of injuries sustained in a mugging in 1969.

For me, Jimmy Wilde was not only the greatest Flyweight of all time and the greatest British boxer of all time, he was also pound for pound the hardest puncher the sport has ever known. A nice tribute to the Mighty Atom can been seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf2uTy9Os6c
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