Goldenboy Says No Fight After Trout Requests VADA Testing For Canelo Fight

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  1. mr fists

    mr fists Active Member Full Member

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    Wouldn't Peterson have passed the USADA test? It's easier to pass than the VADA one. That canelo passed it once doesn't mean he's clean for the rest of his career, why would he have an issue with doing it again if something hadnt changed? Yes I hear all the arguments about late notification and money lost. But golden boy cant be claiming that theyre cleaning up the sport and then reject this, it's called hypocrisy.
     
  2. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    I find it entertaining that you still don't understand the vendor-client relationship. I just proved your non-profit bs wrong and you have nothing to say.

    Nobody is faking any test. Contract stipulations can allow a false-positive or a positive if that's one of the agreements.

    VADA charges about $20K for testing, compared to $100K for USADA. VADA has caught a number of cheaters this year so clearly they're good at what they do. So why pay 100k instead of 20K? Why pay an extra 80k? Because VADA is too rouge and too outside of the promoter's control. That extra 80k isn't about getting better testing, it's about protecting an investment.
     
  3. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    They're a medical organisation and as such are bounce by a code of ethics that are universal in all medicine.

    GB asked for the results of negative a-samples to be passed to them, VADA said this is against their ethical code and so in order to waive it GB will have to provide the signatures of both fighters saying they consent to the results of their A samples being shared.

    For some reason they couldn't do this.
     
  4. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    see what trend Floyd forcing people to take stupid tests that are already in place to ensure a fair fight?

    Here's the thing. You fight in Vegas..you get the NSAC.

    No questions asked.

    You fight in Texas or California...you get a bogus commission and you still get shady testing done.
     
  5. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vada charges less because they are not as well known as what even they consider to be the GOLD STANDARD of testing from USADA.

    Why pay 100k, because they are seen as the best. Why pay 100 dollars for a shoe or a 1000 dollars? That question is really irrelevant as you pay for what you can afford and what you consider the best product for your money.

    No one said VADA was not good at what they do, but to pretend that USADA is not good at what they do what be ridiculous.

    I have no problem with either organization conducting extra tests, because they are a hell of a lot better than what currently being provided in the sport of boxing.

    Also only an idiot would say but vada caught peterson cheating and berto who did USADA catch?:roll: It doesn't work like that, if the tables were flipped and USADA had the berto and Peterson fight and VADA had other fights, people would be singing a different tune.
     
  6. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    NSAC...free of charge for every fight in Vegas. (well notreally)
     
  7. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    :deal
     
  8. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    Exactly. It was Peterson's team that delayed the release. VADA can't release medical information without the consent of the parties involved. Golden Boy also f*cked up the paperwork by not getting the signatures Peterson and Khan for consent.

    Contracts were sent to Golden Boy and they never got the 2 fighters involved in the fight to consent the release of the test results. Golden Boy and Peterson is to blame for the delay. VADA was following the rules laid out by the US government. No entity in the US can release a patient's information without their consent. If they release it without consent, they can have their license revoked and must testify to the government. Read up on the HITECH Act and HIPPA compliance rules.

    So once again, It was Golden Boy's fault for not filling out proper paperwork. It was Peterson's fault for not telling Golden Boy when he tested positive.
     
  9. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Well, I'm not sure what your point is.

    If they wanted the a-samples then they needed to provide VADA with both fighters signatures. Why didn't they do this?

    I mean, you'd assumed that USADA are bound by the same code of ethics as VADA, so surely they have to provide the same documentation to them in order to get them to release the fighters results.

    Goldenboy knew what they needed to do to ensure the a samples were received in timely fashion, but they failed to do it. If GBP want anyone to blame they need to look at themselves.
     
  11. MetalLicker

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    :rofl right. Do you know how much 80K is? That's 2 salaries. Enough to feed a family. Enough for Golden Boy to pay 4 extra fighters.

    VADA gets all credit for exposing Peterson and Berto, not USADA. You give credit to the organization that did the work, not to the the organization that could have done it. Man, imagine if you created something amazing and someone comes along and they said could have done exactly what you did, you'd be pissed as hell. The world doesn't work like your fantasy. F*ck, that's like some idiot saying they could have created Facebook.

    So what's the problem? Trout wanted VADA, so why did Golden Boy runs for the hill? VADA and USADA are on the same level when it comes to testing. The only reason to pay an extra 80K is for control, for investment and contract provisions. Hell, Golden Boy didn't even make a counter offer to use USADA instead. Why? Because it cost $100,000.
     
  12. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    maybe they can still work it out.

    maybe all trout wanted is to only pay 20k (which sounds like what VADA charges) rather than the 100k.
     
  13. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    100 grand? :rofl

    20 grand is too ****ing much.....

    a guy like Trout probably didnt make 100 grand in his last fight and he is a belt holder
     
  14. Bladegunner

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    Show me a source where Golden Boy ran for the hill?

    Also I never said USADA should get credit for the peterson or berto test results. If you read what I wrote I said it is not simple enough to consider USADA useless because they did not catch fighters they had recently tested. Here's a thought maybe the fighters they tested wasn't cheating:rofl

    You logic is so heavily flawed. Golden had 3 fighters recently take VADA and passed, they also had a few more fighters take USADA and passed. It seems pretty clear gbp has subjected their fighters to both styles of testing and came up clean. What have the other promotional companies been doing? :lol:

    Also you seem to find it hard to understand that 20k and 100k means nothing to GBP who have a much higher income than the normal man.

    GBP feel they were let down by VADA, right or wrong they felt they should have been informed earlier. This never happened VADA explained their position but appears bridges have been burnt. The old we will agree to disagree comes to mind.

    That said GBP has had a good relationship with USADA and if they have to pay extra for their services they will. Has **** all to do with hiding test results :lol:
     
  15. Bladegunner

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    Trout wouldn't have to pay anything :roll: