Why do many of these great defensive fighters end up with brain dysfunction?

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  1. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Intuitively, there should be a significantly smaller ratio of defensive fighters with brain problems/parkinsons/slurred speech etc to non-defensive, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

    Here's a few

    Ali
    Benitez
    Toney
    Pep
    Whitaker


    Is it the sparring? Or maybe they think more in the ring (but all fighters think in the ring), or maybe their head movement turned out to be a drawback when they got hit...? I dunno
     
  2. Cellz831

    Cellz831 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    ali was a warrior

    whitaker was a coke head.

    Toney is shot, half ******ed, and STILL fighting.
     
  3. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They where fighting to long. In his last fights Ali“s defensive was gone for a long time.
     
  4. Defensive fighting is a defect, u r already brain damaged to adapt this style.
    They usually get hit by surprise and that causes the most damage to the brain.
     
  5. TJay

    TJay Member Full Member

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    Lol toney is ****ing annoying.
     
  6. Toney makes me cringe.
     
  7. TJay

    TJay Member Full Member

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    I did get a good laugh from the interview he said he was cute in.
     
  8. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    The first and most important thing about boxing that people should remember is that everyone has an odometer and after they reach a certain point their body taps out. No matter who you are or what type of fighter you are. Moreover at the elite level even the best of the best get hit between 16-20% of the time. Which when you think about it is really quite a lot.

    But all that being said I've long believed that there is something in the muscle and bone structure of fast twitch muscled fighters that makes them more suscetible to brain damage. Faster fighters are built like Ferraries they are high performance machines but they are not made to last. If you look at a guy like pernell who had a thin lean body with a thin aggile neck and compare that to a guy like george chuvalo (who btw speaks perfectly fine these days) whose built like a tree trunk you'll find your answer. None of these guys are made to withstand punishment and when their reflexes slow and they start taking lots and lots of punishment they aren't built to take it the way other fighters are.

    Also one last point all professional fighters spar a **** load and that takes a huge toll on them. So even if they are the type of fighter that could go through a fight without getting hit there still are plenty of days where they get lit-up durring sparing.
     
  9. Jappa

    Jappa Active Member Full Member

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    Toney said it best.

    He took more damage at the gym in sparring than actual bouts trying new things out and that's what caused issues late on.

    So many haters, ATG chin no matter what weight class.
     
  10. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Rather than fast twitch, I think the nervous system has more of a factor. Fighters whos styles require a lot of reflexes, such as counterpunching or reflexive defense might end up affected more when they get hit as the neurons are scrambled while trying to be active or something like that so it evens out with the fighters who eat punches regularly in their bouts. I dunno, armchair theory
     
  11. HerolGee

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    some people have a defective gene that makes them more susceptible to Parkinsons and **** like that.

    I suspect thats more important than their style.
     
  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Ali used rope a dope in the ****ing gym ! How ******ed is that ?
     
  13. SugarRay

    SugarRay Active Member Full Member

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    Apart from pride theres a flaw. 5 boxers is not enough to represent the boxing population. It's like choosing mccellan and 4 other offensive fights with serious side effects from taking punishments over the years and using them to represent all the offensive fighters.
     
  14. 6'4south

    6'4south Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I hardly doubt brain damage is synonymous with a defensive style, in fact I would argue that all boxers suffer some type of brain damage no matter what their boxing style is. Tommy Hearns, Arturo Gatti (before he past) showed signs of brain damage, Jerry Quarry, Meldrick Taylor (long before his obvious decline), all offensive boxers, that showed signs of brain damage. All boxers suffer concusions, and regardless if their stunned like Mayweather was against Moseley, or KO'd like Bute against Froch, it's damaging either way. Now add in the fact that many of the boxers fight way past their expiration date, and theirs no way you can tell me, that one style is more susceptible to brain damage, they are all susceptible.
     
  15. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    They're not meant to represent an entire population at all. They do happen to be a cluster among the best defensive fighters however.


    never said synonymous, but it still struck me odd that given their prowess at avoiding damage, there ought to be a significant difference the number of cases