Goldenboy Says No Fight After Trout Requests VADA Testing For Canelo Fight

About the contamination issue, that's Conte's pet theory about nandrolone positives. He came up with it when one of his athletes tested positive some 10 years ago when he hadn't been giving him nandrolone. Berto's level was 20ng/ml, 10 times more than the limit but still relatively low.

Remember that Conte hopes that Berto is clean, since Conte has a pre-history of supplying steroids and other banned substances. But here is a quote from a paper on nadrolone and precursors (=what is refered to as "related steroids" below) that shows us that we can't say that only because the concentration is low it must have been contamination:

"Traceability over time depends mainly on the pharmaceutical formulation and the route of administration. Following intake of the nandrolone-related steroids available as tablets or capsules for oral intake, the metabolites are excreted in extremely high concentrations in the initial hours. Owing to fast phase I metabolism, they are rapidly excreted in urine and are only traceable for a few days (2–6) after their intake" (Hemmersbach, Grosse 2010)

In the end, though, those sentences aren't to be taken as proof of anything except that they can be used to question the contamination hypothesis. Which still may be correct I should add.

Projecting what? I would like to reply to this grevious accusation P) but I don't understand.

I have not seen any criticism of VADA's handling of Berto's positive test. I'm confused about what you are saying here. GBP criticised the Peterson ordeal but they got pretty much owned on that one. They want to punish VADA for getting owned perhaps?

VADA lives off donations. That's why they offer cheap service compared to USADA. Who knows how they will behave in the future. I don't think it's worthwhile to argue about the profit/non-profit character of organizations though.

 

If you have read any of this thread you would know the posters that are defending Golden Boy Promotions are the ones that have stated they refuse to use VADA testing. Why? Becuase they blame VADA for not getting Peterson's positive test result in time to find a suitable replacement. The shady part of this excuse is Golden Boy's people are the side that screwed up, by not getting the fighters signatures on the proper forms turned into VADA so they could release the test results. I'm not a fanboy of any fighter or promotion company, I love boxing and want to see the sport cleaned up.

Haven't you asked yourself why GBP would refuse to use VADA who have proven themselves to be as efficient as USADA? VADA costs four times less, and both organizations require the same signed authorization from both fighters involved so their medical records can be released.

If both companies are of the same level of expertise, but one costs 80 grand less than the other, and have proven to catch drug cheats, then how does it make any sense for GBP to refuse one that costs much less, but use the other that offer the same exact service that costs much more?

That doesn't seem strange at all to you?

 

Just to make sure no one misses it and doesn't have a chance to bash Arum over it.

 

Here's a statement made by Austin Trout;

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/trout-to-alvarez-come-take-my-belt-119544

 

Where's the part where golden boy says no?

 

I am pretty sure Oscar had a long discussion with Mr suliaman

 

You just completely ignored my earlier response to your nuthugger allegation :verysad

 

You ain't added anything new to the discussion, we are 18 pages in and we still haven't got a golden boy statement or any confirmation saying Golden boy said No fight after Trout requested Vada.

Why is this request for a source confirming such a statement so hard to produce? Instead we have people like you going off on anything that avoids answering my question. Where is the Source?

Once again I will wait.:deal

 

Nevermind, I shouldn't have taken you off my ignore list. A mistake in judgement on my part, that will not be made again. You're as oblivious as a teenage girl with a crush on a bad kid.

 

Canelo is obviously on roids , that's why GBP declined to fight Trout . Bad move from Trout though , I think he could've defeated Canelo anyways .

 

Once again you state anything other than providing the source in question.

If you can't come up with a source then do not reply back to me. :roll:

 

Conte's pet theory... that he went on to trace back to actual machines because so many people were popping. Did the authorities take it from there? I don't know.

We all know what Conte hopes for, but IMHO he is the least likely suspect given his career hopes and history. Berto admitted to taking "other" supplements in FL and just had a pretty massive muscle tear. Seems like the type of things that make a camp desperate once heavy load is placed back on the body. With this much money and reputations on the line though? Every group must be scrutinized.

Your "in other news" statement. Labs that do high levels of testing are not a dime a dozen. They are most likely shared. Nobody said they weren't. You felt it neccessary to project that is what others thought.

"Owned"? You must work for VADA. Just because complaints aren't voiced doesn't mean people are satisfied with the service. Boxers will get testing done if so desired. VADA not being used by one of the top two promotional entities in Boxing while VADA desires to expand its testing reach is "punishment". Bad rep = no donations.

The entire reason for the speculation is about why is GBP giving VADA the cold shoulder? I doubt it is technical (testing). The only thing left is PROCEDURAL/ADMINISTRATIVE, i.e., chains of custody, disclosure, etc... What do/did they do that makes GBP act this way? Now granted we are talking about Boxing promoters so there is no implied guarantee that the reason behind their shunning of VADA is logical, reasonable, or VADA's fault. Something is different between VADA and USADA. Something that has VADA on the outs. What?

Looking at their web materials? The only thing I can see is it may be a sloppy organization. Speculating from how GBP is acting? Maybe the same is manifesting when dealing with them. The consumer cares less about how VADA lives than the quality of service. Quality service has nothing to do with public/private, but public services must be used. Private services are CHOSEN. We know (or think we do) where the USADA stands on quality. VADA seemed solid, but something changed and they aren't being chosen. What? We can only speculate.

 

Oscar: Listen my puppet Sillyman, we don't want Canelo taking no fuggen VADA tests. You gotta do something. Refuse to sanction it or I won't be sending you any more payments and I'll be setting Mexicans up against Cubans and getting their axes kicked until Mexicans are the laughing stock of boxing.

Sillyman: But I can't just say we don't accept VADA testing.

Oscar: That's your problem Sillyman. Just come up with something and do it quick.

Sillyman: “We do not accept unification, because if we agree we would be losing authority. We are not going to take away the exclusivity because we own the WBC brand.”



Hermit: What the fug does that even mean? :rofl

 

Nice spin hermit, it quite clear you have a personal agenda against golden boy. Why is that?

 

Were you expecting something different? Even if the USADA did release contract results I guarantee he would say something like "What, did you expect them to release the REAL ones?"

Kinda sad.