Is sergio martinez the most athletic white boxer ever?

tliang1000 · Jun 27, 2012

He is Hispanic....

tliang1000 · Jun 27, 2012

Roy Nelson!

southpaw1974 · Jun 27, 2012

Montero said: ↑

We only have to argue about it because people in the United States are ****ing ignorant and uneducated on this issue. They associate Europeans of the Anglo culture as being white and that's it. WRONG! There are whites of the Latin culture, Middle Eastern culture, Mediterreannean culture, Slavic culture, etc.

Let me ask you this - if Sergio Martinez isn't white, then is Paulie Malignaggi? Because Paulie is several shades darker. But he's Italian so that's "white" and Sergio is from South America so he's a "person of color" right? Ugh...

You probably call Obama black don't you? atsch

In regards to Latino/Hispanic ignorance, it's mainly due to the leaders of the USA - mostly the politicians. They target Latinos as a race to try to suck up votes. Its hilarious to hear some celebrity like Christina Aguilera call herself a "person of color" becacuse she's Hispanic and Anglo Americans buy into that because they've been trained to.
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Amen brother and I'm American! I started this thread because I am one of the few Americans who has actually travelled around the world, isn't ignorant about race and is able to distinguish between race, ethnicity, and culture.

southpaw1974 · Jun 27, 2012

m8te said: ↑

listen, you arent the end all be all on race. the fact that so many people have contrasting opinions in this thread does nothing but lend to the erratic changeability of racial identification. there is no across the board understanding of racial identity, and for anyone to believe that he has mostly european blood based on his looks alone is preposterous. skin color is not the sole determining factor in someone's origin, and every other potential factor in the form of physical traits is unreliable due to a wide range of variations that undoubtedly exist, in small or high number, across races. "pure race" huh?:yep
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The "contrasting opinions" are based on igorance and nothing more. I didn't characterize him as "white" solely based on his appearance ---I actually researched his background and read that he was of Greek and Spanish decent. The last time I checked, Greece and Spain were in Europe and thus he is white. When I wrote "pure race" I was referring to the three distinct racial groups "caucasoid", "negroid" and "mongoloid". Very few people are 100% pure anything but those are the three distinct races.

southpaw1974 · Jun 27, 2012

tliang1000 said: ↑

He is Hispanic....
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Have you not learned ANYTHING from this thread?

Cletis VanDamme · Jun 27, 2012

southpaw1974 said: ↑

Amen brother and I'm American! I started this thread because I am one of the few Americans who has actually travelled around the world, isn't ignorant about race and is able to distinguish between race, ethnicity, and culture.
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I think this type of threads will just allow morons to split hairs in four and from the beginning i expected a torrent of inculture to flow. But that's fine, Sergio is a latino del barrio, he's not white, and Argentinians descend from Aztecs like Mexicans... atsch

m8te · Jun 27, 2012

southpaw1974 said: ↑

The "contrasting opinions" are based on igorance and nothing more. I didn't characterize him as "white" solely based on his appearance ---I actually researched his background and read that he was of Greek and Spanish decent. The last time I checked, Greece and Spain were in Europe and thus he is white. When I wrote "pure race" I was referring to the three distinct racial groups "caucasoid", "negroid" and "mongoloid". Very few people are 100% pure anything but those are the three distinct races.
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sure bro:yep

m8te · Jun 27, 2012

race only exists socially, scientifically it's a very fuzzy concept at best.

Sinew · Jun 27, 2012

southpaw1974 said: ↑

The "contrasting opinions" are based on igorance and nothing more. I didn't characterize him as "white" solely based on his appearance ---I actually researched his background and read that he was of Greek and Spanish decent. The last time I checked, Greece and Spain were in Europe and thus he is white. When I wrote "pure race" I was referring to the three distinct racial groups "caucasoid", "negroid" and "mongoloid". Very few people are 100% pure anything but those are the three distinct races.
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:good
those three are the only . everyone else is a mixture of the three.

southpaw1974 · Jun 27, 2012

Cletis VanDamme said: ↑

I think this type of threads will just allow morons to split hairs in four and from the beginning i expected a torrent of inculture to flow. But that's fine, Sergio is a latino del barrio, he's not white, and Argentinians descend from Aztecs as Mexicans... atsch
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You're right. I'm beginning to lose hope in humanity. :-?

southpaw1974 · Jun 27, 2012

Sinew said: ↑

:good
those three are the only . everyone else is a mixture of the three.
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Yep and I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that. People allow language, nationality and culture to affect their perception of race/DNA.

m8te · Jun 27, 2012

people are a mix of genetic traits. science has no agreed-upon definition of 'race' because from whatever perspective you view a certain population, the categories will remain pretty arbitrary. race is a social construct.

Caestus · Jun 27, 2012

Does Cotto have some afro-ancestry? I guess he does kind of have some afro-features. . . I always thought he was mixture of Amerindian (the "native" Boricua), and Spaniard (European conquerers). . . Thought he was one of the boricuas who look about 75% amerindian/25% white. . .

But now that I look at him, he looks about 20 white/30 black/50 amerindian
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Its impossible to determine the percentages within a blood analysis.What is for sure is that you dont see amerindians in Puerto Rico, the population of the island is right now mainly european and african, the few natives died early by the new diseases that came with the europeans, so the europeans icreased the importation of african slaves.

Cotto is clearly a mulato.

daprofessor · Jun 27, 2012

how did i forget ivan drago!?

Caestus · Jun 27, 2012

Do we have to argue about Ricky Hatton being white, No!

Do we have to argue about Kelly Pavlik being white, dont think so!

Do we have to argue about The Klitshkos being white, nope!

But if you have to argue about Sergio Martinez being white, than he obviously is not white.
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Well, if you need to argue the ethnicity of an argentinian son of inmigrant europeans, is that on esb the people dont know to much.

What about Castillejo?...

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Dont have the typical celtic or nordic look (that is the most common in whites of the USA) and talk spanish...Is he an indian?

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