What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nobody from 1987 to 1993.............. Ramirez got a gift in '87 overseas.......

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  2. Senor Pepe'

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    Sweet Pea would be afraid to get too close to Emile,,,,,,,

    meaning, he would be out-skilled 'mentally'.
     
  3. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are we selling Floyd Mayweather short?

    He's a turd (matter of fact Pernell was a cocky **** also) but skill wise he belongs with Whitaker and his counter punching abilities are second to none.

    As a matter of fact I'd almost go as far to say he's as good defesively as Pernell. if not better. At 35 he's had barely a legit KD and up until the Cotto fight hadn't ever been busted up in a fight. Mayweather's ability to avoid and counter an opponents blows with shoulder rolls and subtley of head movement (and unerring punch accuracy) is quite magnificent.

    Whitaker-Floyd would really be a fight for the connoisseur's but likely to bore the **** out of everyone else and would be a very close match imo.
     
  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Floyd is in the fight, it would be due more to speed than skill. He is clearly not as skilled as Whitaker.
     
  5. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clearly?

    I'll agree that Floyd doesn't have that innate radar that Pernell had to avoid incoming punches plus his footwork isn't nearly as good as Whitakers either but that low left hand, shoulder roll is a hard skill to execute for as long as Floyd has and I don't think I've seen anyone do it as successfully as Mayweather either. Plus his ability to counter off the roll is beautiful to watch (it even made his mismatch with Gatti worth a look).

    Floyd has very good speed but it isn't his greatest strength it's his ability to combine his defense with a deadly accurate offense with sets him apart from the pack and likely would make a fight between them pretty close (given that Pernell possessed a much higher workrate).

    Pernell and Floyd are both absolute masters of their craft all be it employing differing and unique styles but both are very,very highly skilled.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Hurtado, but that was a past prime Whitaker and it was Hurtado's height/range/speed

    Faster plus longer arms
     
  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was waiting for PP to say Floyd or for anybody to asy Floyd... I'm honestly surprised it took this long... I don't agree, but still surprised.
     
  8. the cobra

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    Floyd's one of the guys I'd expect to get the better of Pea on the outside. He'd lose due to Whitaker's superior all-around game, but Floyd's a tad quicker, has longer arms, and a great right hand to catch Pea with if they were to just try and out-counter/out-potshot each other at a distance.
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

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    Wilfred Benitez,,,,,,,

    Could out counter-punch Sweet Pea, either at 140 lbs. or 147 lbs.

    Would be one of the 'greatest tactical bouts'.
     
  10. horst

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    I don't know what this means.
     
  11. Senor Pepe'

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    Maybe I should have said.......'Out-witted'.

    To get the better of, by being more intelligent.

    Using your brain is a skill too.

    Emile would have 'feinted' Sweet Pea into defeat.
     
  12. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Maybe Kid Chocolate.

    I only see SRL, SRR, Benitez, Hearns, Leonard, Pep,etc. as clear chances to do this though.
     
  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Emile Griffith, when "on" was one smart cookie..as Gypsy Joe Harris and Dick Tiger found out. I think he'd be too strong for the Pea also. Griffith was erratic, but he was extremely intelliget.
     
  14. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Emile Griffith is no Pea... and it really isn't that close.
     
  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As opposed to physically, where he stands a good chance to overwhelm Emile.