Wing Chun and Peek-a-boo Boxing comparison

Which bit yaco you?

 

The part about Bob jones vs William Cheung.

I was tring to look up Bob jones vs William Cheung and I got a couple stories of fighters training under them. according to what I read Cheung brought two students of his to test Jones fighters, and jones fighters won but I havent yet heard about Cheung and Jones themselves fighting. I was hoping you could elaborate on that is all I wanted PIRA.

Names Yaca You by the way...

 

Sorry Yaca You.:good

William had been caught out talking **** about Bob so one day Bob and others ventured over to William's club and had words. I was just a little coloured belt munchkit too young to go so was left behind but I was told when they got back that William and his cronies **** themselves.

 

thanks man:good

Sounds like this guy Chueng is basically is full of ****. From more than a few posts I read.

 

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His got some skills undoubtedly and some of his guys as well but seems to be from the "My master is too deadly to fight" school IMO.

 

Interesting exchange guys. :good

I'm not a hater of classical Martial Arts, I have respect for the "Art" side but little for the "Martial" side of Kung fu, TKD, Karate etc. I respect what they can get the body to do and the fluidity and grace some can attain when doing routines. After all, I was a Bruce fan before I ever hit or kicked a bag, have always been a huge fan of HK movies and I love Jah Pannom "Tony Jah" who is basically a Kung Fu guy that converted over.

I've sparred alot of different styles over the years and although some of the differing arts posed a few techincal problems for a few rounds, but once you manage to figure them out, fighting MT the tougher style you grind them down. The kung fu side kick always posed a few a few problems, cos its got some meat and it makes it hard to get near , but in the end repeated low kicks to the lead leg take their toll. The speed and angle of kicks by TKD converts to MT were also problematic, but once you keep crowding them they soon keep getting caught of balance and again you grind them down with power.

They are beautiful to watch and i don't doubt the prctitioner's dedication, but to me it's just the practical combat side that lets them down, lack of power development technically and practically ,the lack of fight conditioning to take damage, full contact experience etc etc....

 

Wing chun vs Freestyle Kickboxing

NMAL Free Style martial arts competition.

The wing chun guy (white singlet ) has 17 years wing chun experience has only fought in his own style tournament and has no other external tournament experience.

The Kick boxer has 6 years experience and has tournament experience. This is modified rules, Full contact to the body semi to the head and legs, Sweeps are allowed, No Knees or elbows.
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Kickboxer vs Silat Practitioner 2

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Kickboxer vs Silat Practitioner 1

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People who believe in Wing Chun are dumb ****s like Stoo and Neville, who compound their stupidity by being Glass Jaw Deniers.

 

Look at that vcash

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atsch Yea ok, whatever you say mate. So you spar with 2 nobodies who do boxing in their spare time, and now you think you can take on any boxer with ease. Lol, you martial arts nobheads never fail to crack me up. Let's see you "block" a prime mike tyson's combos, and I'll be laughing at your funeral. In fact let's see you try and block one straight right from Wlad Klitschko (who I'm not even a fan of), and let me know how that goes.

 

This poster is a complete nut, don't get him started on his favorite rapper or its even worse.

 

This is rather funny. It is clearly another one of these, lets have a willing sparring partner and use this as proof of what we can do in a real situation.

The boxer is acting in a very basic approach and working very much with simple movement and straight shots. He is leaving his punches out there so grand wanker wing chun (just joking) can show his stuff. When he throws the hook, he does use an old school boxing technique to block it but you can only make your opponent pay if you come back with genuinely HARD shots not weak albeit fast punches. Joe Louis was the absolute man at that hook block and counter but in practice it is incredibly difficult.

Very funny how the boxer in shadow boxing showed the ability to change angles, move his head, pull his punches back, throw in combination but nothing like that happened in the show and tell. Also funny how the feint is abandoned.

Wing Chun has some great principles like the centre line, rapid attacks etc but boxing is a MUCH MORE well rounded striking discipline and simply MUCH MORE proven.

Once upon a time you could use the glove theory of how that isn't realistic in a fight but MMA helps to prove that as bull****.

Simply put, against a trained combatant it takes a significant blow to render them unconcious and unable to continue. There is a reason boxers have established the most effective and efficient way to defend and attack and that is tried and tested technique over many years and fights between finely tuned athletes.

In a fighting scenario, it is best for people who do wing chun to talk about the ability to kick etc Yes, it can be effective against martial artists and yes it can be effective against your average joe but it is irrefutable that it simply not as complete a hand striking art in defence or offence. It basically looks like basic boxing with show and tell sparring and the odd kata to make it look good. Thankfully, we are no longer in an era where that is enough proof of a marital arts effectiveness. There are a multitude of battle grounds to test it - boxing, K1, MMA etc and there is a reason it has not yet stamped it's authority as "the" striking art for hands.

 

Tubby Tockley's pontifications on the subject would be most enlightening, and I'm sure I'm far from alone in that view.

 

Talking of nobodies, hey superman1692. :hi: I'm one of those "martial arts nobheads" you're talking about.

It's a big world out there and there are alot of other Martial Arts other than just traditional WC Kung Fu, Karate and TKD, and one of them's Muay Thai.

I'd like to see P4P PBFloyd trade elbows with the MT guy below, Buakaw. Same weight class, same era. I know who my money would be on and it ain't "Money May".

Oh and for the record The other K bro (the better fighter of the two) was a Kickboxer before he was a Boxer.

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Great post.:good

Although, I think if you look at the high lighted area above Muay Thai is just

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Honestly, I'm not trying to do a "my ones bigger than yours" just saying boxing and Muay Thai they are children of the same mother. The same weapons are used albiet deployed slightly differently but more importantly the body mechanics are the same. And that's what's crucial to this thread the body mechanics. In WC there seems to be hardly any hip rotaion which is where both boxing and MT get their power from. Hence why you get so many Thais that can spill over into boxing and with a bit of fine tuning can do OK after long MT careers. I don't see many WC guys doing it although I remeber Eubank was a recreational WC practioner.

(I can hear everyone yawning going "Not him going on about MT again".:blablaSorry fellas but I think it's very relevent to the way the threads developed.):thumbsup