Why didnt Calzaghe renew his visa when Tarver, Pavlik came onto the scene?

I hate calzaghe but he wouldve embarrassed pavlik

 

have to agree. Pavlik might have floored him but Joe always got up, and would work out a way to beat a 2D thumper like Pav.

Older Joe is the one that gets beaten by prime Pavlik, thats the only tmie it happens.

 

Haha American? Great! The fact that you disagree then go on to these kid like insults leads me to believe you are in fact a twat. Unfortunately you are unable to get your giant 15 inches that sits proud on that skyskraper forehead of yours out of head givers arse, Once you do that I may actually give a **** what you say.

 

Hopkins was older when he fought Chad
There was only 7 years betweem Hopkins/Calzaghe, compared to 18 years Hopkins/Dawson.
The fight was at LHW where Calzaghe came up rather than a weight he had campaigned most of his career at.
Calzaghe was closer to the end of his career than Hopkins instead of the other way around

 

Right, 18 years. So you mocking Chad's victory is well out of place, because he Chad doesnt see it as a great victory, its a young man beating up an old grandad. When you gonna accept this?

Hopkins prime weight is MW, so it was Calzaghe, being the natural SMW but even then more erring towards LH so aparrent in his weight problems, who had the weight advantage at LHW. Calzaghe had the advantage, thats the complete opposite of what you just wrote.

Calzaghe could have fought on, but he was afraid to lose his zero losses. Hopkins by comparison felt no need to protect his record.
Thats why Hopkins kept testing himself in his half-mast forties and why Calzaghe didnt face anyone else, at a time when his market price had never been higher - Calzaghe felt the need to keep his clean sheet more than gain more credence in further fights.

But Call it the way you want, Bailey, thats what you always have done.

 

The difference between me and you is, I am a boxing fan and you are a Calzaghe nutthugger/fanboy.

Instead of the Calzaghe vs RJJ fight, I would have rather seen one of these:-

Calzaghe vs BHop II, Froch, Dawson, Tarver, Pavlik........... Simply because they are tougher match ups that a shot Jones.

But at the same time, I understand Calzaghe wanted a big cash out and he opted for the faded legend Roy Jones Jr.

You as a Calzaghe lover, was over joyed by the fact Calzaghe finally landed a big pay day fight in USA, and for that reason because Calzaghe is getting more money from RJJ than he would from Pavlik, you think :happy:happy:happy, and start coming up with this RJJ was #6 LHW and back to his best sort of nonsense.

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Who was the more dangerous opponent for Calzaghe

Undefeated white bald knock out artist Middleweight King Kelly the ghost Pavlik.

OR

Shot to **** way past his best, glass jaw harbouring, black bald off his medication Roy Jones Jr.

A Boxing fan, such as myself would like to have seen Calzaghe vs Pavlik, an intriguing match up at the time against a power puncher with a solid chin and heart.

A Calzaghe fan boy such as yourself, would rather see Calzaghe not risk his '0' have a big payday, and look great against a legend (A shot Legend).

So that is the essence of the discussion me and you are having, it is basically a discussion between a Boxing fan and a Calzaghe nutthugger.
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Here is some of the stuff you said regarding Pavlik, Jones and Calzaghe:-

Calzaghe vs Jones being viewed as the bigger fight than Hopkins vs Pavlik doesnt mean Jones was better than Pavlik.

Pavlik even at MW would still be more game that a Shot off his meds Jones. RJJ may have experience, but he was going through a **** patch in his career.

You as a Calzaghe fan has every right to say Calzaghe vs Jones is the better option. Me as a boxing fan is supposed to say Pavlik would have been the better option.

 

Joe Calzaghe vs Chad Dawson

bailey, I notice you are trying to make Chad Dawson look like some sort of ducker in not fighting Calzaghe.

I may be wrong about you thinking Chad ducked Calzaghe, but the following quotes of yours does indicate it:-

So you think, Chad Dawson with a minor SMW belt is a better opponent than Chad Dawson with a WBC, IBF and IBO LHW titles?

At the same time, you try and play Shot RJJ up by mentioning his #6 ranking in the LHW division, but Dawson was the belt holder. Calzaghe won a paper title at LHW since the real LHW lineal champ was DM not RJJ, but Dawson was the legitimate WBC, IBF and IBO LHW champion.

As a boxing fan I would have liked to see Chad Dawson give Calzaghe the hardest and stern test of his career. You as a Calzaghe lover didnt wanted RJJ since it was easier and more money. Fair play to Calzaghe.
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Then you go onto saying Chad Dawson wasnt a big name. See that is because you as a Calzaghe lover wanted/needed a big name for a big pay day.

Me as a boxing fan wanted a tough opponent regardless of PPV pulling power.

This is where the difference lies between me and you. As already stated I am a boxing fan and like to see tough fights regardless of name stature, you are a Calzaghe nutt hugger and would like to see Calzaghe get easy pay days.

Chad not having a big name doesnt make him any less dangerous. He was more dangerous than shot Jones. Also was the LHW lion.

Chad Dawson was still more dangerous, hence why Calzaghe never fought him and instead chose shot Jones.

So I think it has been established, and the discussion has come towards a mutual end.

You are a Calzaghe nutthugger/FanBoy and hence was extremely delighted and :happy:happy:happy for Calzaghe to fight a shot to **** off his med Roy Jones Jr.

Me as a boxing fan was slightly disappointed I never got the chance to watch:-

Calzaghe vs Pavlik
Calzaghe vs Dawson
Calzaghe vs Hopkins II
Calzaghe vs Froch
Calzaghe vs Bute
Calzaghe vs Tarver
Calzaghe vs Pascal
Calzaghe vs Glen Johnson
Calzaghe vs Andre Ward
Calzaghe vs Andre Dirrell
Calzaghe vs Kessler II
Calzaghe vs Sakio Bika II
Calzaghe vs Cloud
Calzaghe vs Campillo
Calzaghe vs Cleverly

And the list of opponents can go on, all the listed above were IMO more dangerous than a shot jones jr. However since you are a Calzaghe lover you are justified to be happy Calzaghe made enough money to sniff Cocaine. Me as a boxing fan would just have to deal with it that I never got to see those great match ups, and move on.

 

BHop II was still more dangerous than a shot Jones Jr. Matter of fact, it was a controversial split decision in which many had Hopkins winning.

Hopkins said he would come to Cardiff Inglund, he meant wales, but he was willing to come to the Welsh man's back yard for a rematch, the truth is:-

Calzaghe never wanted it.

Again, Froch was still more dangerous than a shot off his meds RJJ.

Carl Froch was a decent name in the UK, and had a decent following in his hometown of Nottingham. And would have given Calzaghe more fits than a shot Jones.

No. Not possibly. Dawson most definitely would have been more of a task than any other LHW.

This is what I am saying.

Me a boxing fan would rather see a tough challenge for Calzaghe and Dawson by them fighting one another.

You as a Calzaghe lover/nutthugger was happy to see Calzaghe cash out, retire and run away from the sport towards Cocaine and dance competition.

Had Calzaghe beaten Tarver it would have lifted his legacy, thats the point of fighting.

Regardless, Calzaghe never wanted it. He wanted easy payday vs RJJ.

Pavlik would have been more of a task than RJJ. As already explained.

This is where you Calzaghe ball licking makes you blind.

Pavlik was the man to beat, the P4P ranked and was looking unstoppable at the time.

RJJ lost alot of his glamour by being KO, sorry not KO, but KTFO by Tarver and Johnson.

Pavlik was the tougher opponent.

The Paper champ you mean, Calzaghe held a paper title at LHW, he aint a two weight champ since DM should have been the real Ring champ. RJJ was no longer his best, I think that is clear.

The Calzaghe vs Jones fight was a money making fight, and Calzaghe took advantage of the situation to cash out with easy payday, instead of making a legacy at LHW by taking on all on comers.

 

Seven yrs at that stage is a big fukin difference just admit it.

 

hes not only NOT going to admit it, hes actually trying to claim the REVERSE is true, Whopp. You dont stand a chance of getting the facts out of him when he rewrites the facts so that Calzaghe is the one who is really the one who is 40something and Hopz is actually 30somethnig. You cant get truth out of someone who lives in a topsy turvy world like that.

well if you were 37 and you wanted to keep your zero losses, of course you'd pick sot2**** RJJ over Pavlik. You;d know for a fact that you could coast to a decision over fortysomething RJJ, but fighting Pavlik would involves getting off the floor and quite possibly losing the zero loss. Without that zero loss, you lose a LOT of your legacy.

plus the money.

 

Not as big as being older with 18 years difference, and balanced a bit by one fighter moving up to a new weight, whilst the other is on the best career run