How would Liston have done against Marciano's title opposition ?

Walcott, Moore, Charles, all 3 beat Liston.

 

This is not outrageous.

where as Marciano losing to roy harris, folley and patterson is outrageous.

 

It was not a lucky punch but if you fight the same guy that many times anything can hapen in a fair fight. Ezzard won the serries. No shame in that.

Liston fought marshal 3 times and lost once.

 

We can't make Liston into more than he was IN REALITY... which by the way... wasn't close to Marciano. He fails where Marciano didn't

 

He's also totally right.

 

It was a "sneak punch", but not a "lucky punch".

 

Charles was a great fighter. Especially at lightheavy. He was a very good heavyweight.

The reality is that the Charles of 1954 that Marciano faced wasnt not the same fighter he once was. He isnt gonna be able to take Liston`s punching power. Sonny`s jab would rattle him enough.

 

Its interesting that many boxing fans have it in their mind that Ali from the 1960s was untouchable. Could probably beat any heavyweight that came along before or since. Not saying everyone feels that but many do.

Based on what? He beat many of the same fighters that Sonny Liston had beaten earlier. Except Liston beat better versions of them.

Ali looked so great against Cleveland Williams...Williams had a bullet in him at the time Ali was inventing new dances in the ring. Sonny steamrolled the dangerous version of Williams. Twice!

Ali looked phenonmenal taking out an old asss Zora Folley. Liston wrecked a prime verison of Zora Folley.

Ali toyed with Floyd Patterson whose back went out in the middle of a the fight. Liston didnt give his back a chance to go out. Sonny put him out.

Not saying Sonny Liston has the best resume btu his comp wasnt as bad as Ive been reading on here. The guys Marciano beat Moore, Charles and Walcott had bigger names. They accomplished more in the lighter divisions.

Liston`s comp was at least as good as Rocky`s taking nostalgia out of it probably better.

 

Well he beat Liston himself for one plus the Terrel win is prety under rated in the grand scheme of things. Ernie was good.

 

Fantasy's about what Liston COULD'VE been doesn't change who he ACTUALLY WAS... He doesn't do what marciano did because he doesn't have IT...

 

The prime Sonny of the late '50s and very early '60s goes 49-0 against Marciano's opposition.

Sonny would have taken Marciano out, too.

Sorry, Marciano fans, but it would have happened.

 

The thing with Charles is that he doesn't really have the mobility I don't think. Machen straight up ran against Liston (as did Clay) and Charles wouldn't do that and he'd be forced to exchange similar to what Zora Folley did. Liston would be enjoying a sizable advantage in size and reach which would be critical here because both of these guys did things by the book. They were two of the more technical champions we've had.

Charles would put up a better show than Folley but the end result would be the same imo.