Joe Frazier vs Jack Dempsey ?

Joe Louis beat far far better competition than Dempsey, and knocked out far greater opponents. Don't even compare the two. Dempsey's resume is a joke amongst ATGs.

 

How many great white boxers did Frazier beat or even FIGHT?

 

I don´t see why here is so much to discuss. IMO it´s quite clear how it goes. It can go two ways. Dempsey is of to a fast start, goes out swinging for the fences and hurts and stops the slow-starting Frazier early. If Frazier survives this, which he well might, he will go to work as he usual does, Dempsey stays competative but the longer the fight goes the more Frazier takes over and in the end he either stops a bloodied Dempsey late or wins on points. Great fight either way.

 

Pretty much the conventional wisdom ... the unknown is if Joe comes back from what Dempsey can deliver ... Jack was a much nastier puncher than Ali, Quarry or Bonavena ...

 

The best fighter Joe Louis fought prior to Walcott was the older Schmeling ... an ancient Sharkey, a baffoon Baer, Carnera or Braddock were nothing special ... I actually feel their competition was very even ...

 

Well in YOUR racist eyes I am also a "white gooftrooper"...S, either your joking [always at caucasian expense] or either you are a sick pandering weirdo, the fact that you are on the internet was a "whitey" undertaking...
Watch Jess Willard go 25 rounds with Jack Johnson in a blazing Havana sun, absorbing everything the still formidable Johnson dispensed and bided his time til the 26 th round when he kod Jack Johnson with a beautiful right cross...What modern dreadnaught of today could do that today, without an oxygen tube ???
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It's probably going to take a decade or so more of dedicated hacking to sever this theory of Dempsey having questionable stamina.

You may slam his reign 'till you begin to have nightmare's in which he defends against Wills. As fast a starter as the Mauler was he did not shoot his bolt. This idea of Frazier 'taking over', especially after the initial bombing can only be explained in two scenarios, either:

1) Dempsey was not the quick-footed slayer history makes him out.

or

2) Frazier was virtually impervious.

And we all know the second is further away from the truth.

The '71 version of Joe was something to behold, but he fought at a pulse which would have Dempsey commit irreparable damage. It's difficult to see a way back if he made it past round three, but it's unlikely that Dempsey hadn't already tenderized him for keeps.

 

This is the rub ... Dempsey, lighting starting and punching w speed and huge power could Manny Paq him ... Bonavena, Ramos, Quarry and or course Foreman landed heavy early against Joe ... I cannot imagine him taking the punishment and not being damaged o some degree .. the issue is how badly ...

 

he, Dempsey started fast for a ko, that was his nature, but if that didn't work, he husbanded his resources for the long haul ,and waited for opportune moments to open up again. He found out that the clever Tommy Gibbons could not be kod, so he outboxed and outhustled Gibbons in the 100% heat of Reno, Nev. to win a unanimous decision in 15 rds...
Dempsey not in the best of shape in his 1920 bout with Bill Brennan whom he kod quickly years before, had enough stamina to absorb punches until he caught up to Brennan in the 12th round with two blows that kod Brennan and in the process Brennan broke his ankle falling to the canvas...
So Dempsey had moxie in the ring and excellent stamina when needed...:good

 

Burt I think deep inside hes just jelouse of Dempsey.

 

Why just watch them when I can watch a number of Dempsey and Frazier fights and see which one has knockout power on shorter, faster, more compact shots?

I'll give you a hint: It ain't Joe. Frazier had a hell of a left hook, but that was really his only knockout weapon. Dempsey had KO power in both hands and delivered it more efficiently IMO.

 

I didnt realize Firpo was white. I hope somebody told him.

 

Frazier by KO

 

Agree with you that Frazier's right hand wasn't a knockout weapon but Joe could hurt you with his right hand too. Quarry, Chuvalo, Ellis, Machen, Foreman and Ali have all said Joe's right hand was hard shot when it landed.

All this stuff about Frazier having no right hand is BS. He threw lots of good right hooks to the body and head in his career but of course his signature punch is his left hook.

Jack vs Joe would be still one heckuva fight.