Translation: Juan Manuel Marquez breaks down Duran VS Buchanan on its anniversary

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Original video can be found here:

    http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/videohub/video/clipDeportes?id=1555457&cc=3888

    Enjoy.

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    Announcer Dude: Well, there’s the final moment of the bout (video plays). A good exchange, where Ken Buchanan gets the better of it, but there’s the blow we told you about. Look at the right from Duran-oof! That was more than sufficient to end the fight; the bell had rung, hence the intervention from the referee. But he didn’t understand, or simply didn’t observe what happened in the ring, and he took that brutal shot to the “soft spots” (usually what JMM uses to refer to the sides of the body), to put it one way. In the end, the triumph was cemented for Roberto Duran, who was winning the fight clearly up to that point; don’t know how you might have seen it Juan Manuel. I think that Duran had the advantage.

    JMM: Yes, we saw Duran pressuring, connecting better combinations of punches. I think that here, what a judge sees is the pressure and whose landing more blows, and in this case it was Roberto Duran, which brought him the victory. You say the “soft spots”, I’d say the really soft spots. But well, I think they gave him the victory because he won the fight. In these types of fights you can’t disqualify the opponent. All the same, the referee didn’t notice, and neither did the judges, but well, they gave him the fight because he was winning on the basis of points.

    Announcer Dude: Well, we’re going to graphically explain the happenings of this fight. In the first rounds, Juan Manuel, well, practically the same flow as that of the whole fight. What was it that Roberto Duran did against Ken Buchanan, and how did he start to break him?

    JMM: What Roberto Duran always did was keep throwing his jab, moving on his toes and moving his waist, which Buchanan did as well. But what Duran did well was throw the jab, and then come in with a right hand to the side, throw a left hook downstairs, and come up with a straight right hand (throws combination), the same way as he connected on Ken Buchanan several times.

    Announcer Dude: Buchanan had a very pretty, very fast jab.

    JMM: Yes-

    Announcer Dude: But Duran started to learn it.

    JMM: Duran started to lean. So he would lean to this side, and (lands over-hand right) over that left, over that jab, he would throw the right-not straight, but half-curved like a hook-and from there he’d throw a (left) uppercut, and would close hard with a right that was very strong (throws combination).

    Announcer Dude: Also, there was the left hook that Duran used on several occasions, as he would bait with straight punches to the stomach (throws right hand to the body), but he’d come up immediately with the left hook.

    JMM: What Duran did was jab, be moving his waist, getting inside to connect to the body. So what he would do was throw a right to the body (throws right hook), come up with the left (throws left hook), and throw the right hand, always trying to bring the attention down so that the opponent lowers his guard. Always, this hook (shakes right hand), he’d throw so that you lower your guard, and from there he’d throw the left hook, and also that right hand (throws combination). And you can also throw the (left) uppercut as well, or a hook to the liver.

    Announcer Dude: And in short (on the inside) Duran was holding, but also throwing (simulates holding and hitting).

    JMM: Yes, also connecting. We also saw in the video some 3, 4 right uppercuts; when on the inside, throwing 1,2,3,4 uppercuts (simulates uppercuts on the inside), and connecting all of them.

    Announcer Dude: And how do you defend Duran’s uppercut, Juan? Because if you’re here (leans in) you can evidently put your glove to take it (simulates parry), but if he catches you sharp with the edge, it’s worse for the nose.

    JMM: Yes, it’s worse. If you want to lean back from an uppercut, it’s much more dangerous going backwards, because-do it-they can reach you with the left hook (throws as Announcer Dude leans back). For example, if Buchanan had leaned back, from a hook for example; they throw one at you, and then they repeat it (throws double left hook), and they catch you with no guard, practically uncovered, and its even more dangerous.

    Announcer Dude: He was a good fighter, Ken Buchanan. In certain moments in the fight, he took Roberto Duran out of his fight plan; he also started to put his hands on him significantly. But in the end, the potency (power) of Duran is what proved the difference. But everything, Juan, I’d imagine stemmed from the pressure, the blows to the sides, and of course intimidating him with that kind of fight, because Roberto Duran never stopped coming forward.

    JMM: No, he never stopped, and we saw he did it very well. Pressuring, what Buchanan didn’t expect was the speed, the speed with which Manos de Piedra was fighting. To be pressuring and fighting with practically the same speed, pressuring the whole fight (throws quick combinations while advancing), and what Buchanan answered with, he would respond to with the same speed (counters with combinations), and I think (even) more (speed). That’s what Buchanan couldn’t take, and the shots to the body were exceptional, where he’d come with the right hand, land that same left to the liver, come back with a right hand, left hook, and again downstairs (throws combination). I think that’s what served Manos de Piedra Duran very well to win, and that low blow which was criminal, but well, let’s see that one (laughs).

    Announcer Dude: (laughs) Let’s first review the video (replay of the footage comes on). This is how it ends. Buchanan had done well; he gets in a right, a very good right; Duran leans forward and takes a right, then a left; Duran doesn’t end up standing very well, very open; and there goes the right-boom!-with everything downstairs. It really doesn’t seem to have so much on it, the right from Roberto Duran onto Ken Buchanan, but it ends up being, as you said Juan, a brutal punch. I’m not familiar with the protection in such times, bigger or smaller; there should have been some sort of protection..?

    JMM: Yes, they had protection, what we call the shell, but we don’t know of what size or how they looked. In that case, a blow of that force can hurt you. If a not so heavy punch can cause you pain, imagine a punch with all the force behind it.

    Announcer Dude: Because it did have momentum, that right hand.

    JMM: It had momentum. You can’t really see the blow well because the referee steps in to separate- the bell seemed to have rung- so the referee comes in to separate them, and apart from that, the camera angle doesn’t help us, as it shows his back. We’re able to see more or less the hook downstairs. What Duran does is-the bell rings, and what Duran does is let this hand go with all the drive to the soft spot (simulates low blow onto Announcer Dude).

    Announcer Dude: How brave I am, so open (laughs).

    JMM: (laughs) Yes, with your guard all open.

    Announcer Dude: The truth is that it would have been much better to finish the fight under different circumstances, but well, that’s what happened in the moment. So there, Roberto Duran decrees himself new lightweight world champion, and there begins the legend of Hands of Stone. Today, it’s been 40 years, on the 26th of June; 40 years since the first world title for Roberto Duran.
     
  2. PityTheFool

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    Wow Bogo! You never cease to amaze me.Thanks man.
    I got the opportunity to ask Buchanan about this,and he told me with better refereeing and protection,and maybe on home soil,he thought he could have sneaked past Duran.
    Then,not that long after,I saw Ken on TV saying he was happy that he lost to such a great champ,and he felt no shame in being beaten and was losing the fight anyway!!!

    But I'll tell you something,Ken Buchanan is one of the most underrated and undervalued fighters of all time.If it wasn't for Cholo,he might well have been an ATG.
     
  3. reed_man02

    reed_man02 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks man, it's interesting learning how Duran fought and what made him so great. No one can explain better than Marquez.
     
  4. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Thanks as usual. Skimmed through it and JMM knows his stuff, as usual. Agree that Ken is criminally underrated and yes a top win for Duran but an underrated performance for Duran. JMM needs to make a book(one in English and one in Spanish) about boxing fundamentals and I would gladly get it. Not sure that any boxer,trainer,etc. would go into depth like Marquez does but I'm glad to here suggestions if anyone wants to PM me and/or respond to this post with suggestions.
     
  5. qwert

    qwert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks Bogotazo as always. Is there any way your words can be synched to the video as subtitles? I know it's a lot to ask, but if every decent ESB poster were to contribute a dollar, you could end up with 3, maybe even 4 dollars.
     
  6. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cool, thanks for ther read. JMM always remided me a lot of Duran. Not in his style obviously, but his ring intellegence and looks. These two at lightweight would have been boxing at the highest level.
     
  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    You guys are all very welcome :good

    :lol::rofl:lol::rofl

    If I ever find an easy way to do it, I'd gladly put the subtitles on the videos. Unfortunately, most aren't on Youtube, but on the ESPN player. There might still be a way though.

    I actually consider Marquez as sort of an inverse of Chavez and Duran's stylistic strengths. That inwards lean to set up the counter over-hand right over the jab he explained in the middle of the interview? That's exactly how he stunned, and eventually knocked down, Diaz in their fight; Diaz advanced with his left glove high in the air, giving the ever so slight impression it's cocked to be thrown, and JMM times the same over hand right over it.

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  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    A modern ATG of this era breaks down a classic fight of the best Latin fighter ever and a top 15 of all time, and nobody else cares?

    You disappoint me ESB.
     
  9. qwert

    qwert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks for transcribing them anyway. Marquez's analysis is spot-on as always. I gotta say this fight has never sat that well with me though. Duran is one of my all-time favourites, but the ending seems somewhat unjust, particularly after hearing the effects that low-blow had on Buchanan. I wonder if the fight would have been ruled a TKO by a referee today.
     
  10. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    I love JMM and your efforts are very much appreciated. I saved the first two you did but iv been meaning to assemble all your translations with the videos. Probably do that this weekend and have a Golpe a Golpe Marquez folder. Genuinely man thanks.
     
  11. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Very nice stuff Bogo, thanks for posting :good

    Always good to hear what Juan has to say.
     
  12. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    Good ****. Marquez spot on as always.

    Much appreciated, Bogo.
     
  13. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I'm glad you enjoy them so much, but don't go through the trouble my friend, I've assembled them all here!

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11407399
     
  14. knockout artist

    knockout artist Boxing Addict banned

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    Very good read, thanks for posting!
     
  15. Clarky Cat

    Clarky Cat Stalwart Full Member

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    Excellent, nice job going to the effort translating & posting, Bogotazo. :thumbsup