Sonny Listons opposition vs Jack Dempseys opposition

Both beat good fighters.

Miske, Gibbons, gunboat smith, Brennan, levinksky, carl morris, Fulton and hommer smith are being sold a bit too short here.

If Firpo was such a bum he sure fooled 60,000 Americans a couple of times before taking on Dempsey. What was the biggest crowd williams and valdes ever drew in New York?

You have presented flatering photos of Listons guys as if looks had anything to do with being a better fighter?

 

Outside of Ali, Dempsey probably has the better list of names.

 

Agreed. Floyd Patterson's as good as Gene Tunney,as well,imo.

 

Liston by far

 

Liston, but his fans need to come to grips with the Ali fights. They can believe in him as a fighter but it's a legacy killer. There's little way around it.

 

How can losing to the 'Greatest' be that big of a legacy killer? Most lose to fighters of allot lower calibre, his fans argue he wasn't prime aswell

 

It's how, just as much as who, PP. His fans argue a lot of things but he looked stellar in his last 2 KO's of Patterson.

 

Yea Ali bossed the first fight, I sort of write off the rematch, for a reason different to others do, incompetent refereeing, under the rules it should not have been stopped by Jersey Joe LOLcott

Personally too I'd argue Liston 1 maybe Ali's best performance, looking at the performance and opponent, certainly a harder ask than a 'Shot' Cleveland Williams

 

prime cleveland williams would have done well to last even 4 rounds aganst Ali or most world champions. Williams is so over rated, its simply eye watering...

Leon spinks beat better fighters than williams.

 

You are wrong and when a timemachine is built I demand you go back in time and take a Cleveland Williams left hook to the jaw

 

I am wrong because I dont think williams beat Ali or because I think leon spinks beat better fighters than williams?

When a time machine is built Im taking bernado mercardo with me - and watch him kick williams's ass.

williams had a great left hook against lower level, overmatched guys but he did not floor any good fighters with it. jim wiley was less than lower level.

 

Liston gets wanked on here more than anybody.. and what's worse.. it's with less merit than the other wanking around here... and by less I mean.. non existent..