Has Pacman ever beaten an elite boxer in their prime?

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  1. afterglow

    afterglow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is more in response to the Floyd HOF thread.

    Has Manny beaten an elite level boxer that was in their prime when he fought them?
     
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  2. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clottey! Well one can say Juan but then again that might not count since some say he didn't really beat him.
     
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  3. afterglow

    afterglow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I personally don't believe he ever beat JMM.

    I think Clottey is pretty good at times, but not even close to being elite.

    ****, Clottey had lost to Cotto in his previous fight before fighting Pac.

    And just to add. The Cotto/Clottey was a really good underrated scrap.
     
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  4. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    barrera, cotto, marquez, sasakul....

    he arguably beat marquez if the judge scored it correctly in the first fight. jmm's prime weight and at his absolute prime.
     
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  5. bronx

    bronx Boxing Junkie banned

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    Cotto
     
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  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    He beat Cotto post-prime and pre-secondary prime. Same with Barrera and he never beat Marquez. Santaklu never rated p4p.
     
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  7. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Sure he has. . . MAB, Cotto, Clottey. . . Marquez. . . Bradley. . .
     
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  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Marquez is probably the closest he came in their second fight.
     
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  9. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    :lol: Cotto magically became "prime" again when he fought Floyd, eh?

    Truth is, he's still in his prime. . . He was moreso in his prime when he fought Manny, but he was still prime when he fought Floyd.
     
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  10. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    A boxers prime is a period of time that you look back on, when they where are at their best, once they have retired.

    It cant be used to describe a period of a current boxer as you dont know if they have peaked or not yet.

    The word prime is thrown around too easily.

    Cotto was Pacs best win.

    Cotto had evolved into a different fighter when he fought Floyd, nothing to do with prime or not. Its just a diffrent set of circumstances.
     
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  11. afterglow

    afterglow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bararra is the closest I can think of. Tho he had been fighting for a long time by that point.

    That could easily count.

    I don't really think Cotto is "elite".
     
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  12. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Cotto re-entered his prime when he fought Floyd with up to 25 pounds of hydrated muscle he ain't have with Punkiao. Fact. Plus he learn how to clinch and finely heelt up from the Margo brick beatin'. Pac caught him at the right time. SORRY.
     
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  13. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  14. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl

    So cotto getting ****ed up by Margo and clottey beating him to a bloody pulp makes cotto prime?

    In that case, floyd also fought a prime healthy cotto, who not only was coming off impressive victories but had an improved trainer and was not weight drained :lol:
     
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  15. p4p_kid

    p4p_kid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    barrera, marquez, hatton, cotto, he beat bradley but got robbed. he'll beat him in a rematch
     
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