Has Pacman ever beaten an elite boxer in their prime?

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  1. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    :rofl Cotto is too heavy, bloated, and slow at 154. . . Dude had no stamina. . Lol Floyd threw more punches than him. . He threw like 20 punches in the championship rounds.

    Cotto was leaner, meaner, and better when Pac fought him. . . You can't say the loss to Pac didn't take a little out of him. . BUt like I said, they both fought a "prime" cotto; pac just got him first, at his natural weight, and thereby deserves more credit.


    And no, Cotto is not Pac's best win. . That would be MAB coming off wins over Hamed, and rematch win over Morales. . .

    Cotto is Floyd's best win, though.
     
  2. JASPER

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    No, and after the Bradley fight, the record books show he still has not. Whatever one says about Mayweather, he has Diego Corales and Hatton on his resume, both knockouts.
     
  4. king khan

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    Exactly how has Cotto improved technically? What has he done? He beat a one-legged, Foreman (who got pwned by Wolak), lost 3-4 rounds to Mayorga, and beat a completely shot to ****, one-eyed Margarito. . . Those are Cotto's wins at 154. . Now you tell me how that makes him better at 154 pounds?


    Cotto is bloated, and heavy at 154. . . It's not hsi natural fighting weight.


    I see no improvements, nor no differences in Cotto now, than 3-5 years ago. . . Except he's slower, and doesn't have quite the stamina he once had.

    He's always had that cracking sledgehammer of a jab. . . That was the only punch he was able to really hit Floyd cleanly with. . Everytime Cotto would press him on the ropes, he would just unleash wide hooks, of which 90% were rolled, and caught by Floyd.
     
  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Sarcasm puga, sarcasm.
     
  6. king khan

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    And Manny has Morales TWICE, MAB TWICE, and marquez TWICE. . .

    And a TKO over Cotto, BEFORE Floyd fought him. . .


    Pacquiao has the superior resume. . .
     
  7. baller188

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    A past prime, drained Morales who was coming off a beating to Zahir Raheem, 2 gift decisions against Marquez, A second win against a shot Barrera who was coming off a loss to Marquez, Cotto at a catchweight, plus he fought Hatton, Oscar and Mosley after Floyd beat him and your trying to say he has a superior resume ????
     
  8. baller188

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    He was also much better defensively than he's ever been. His head movement was more impressive than it's ever been and he is doing lots of subtle things that show an improved Ring IQ. He seems to be a more intelligent fighter these days, as shown in the Margarito fight. In the first fight the difference was Cotto tried to back off instead of tieing Margarito up, and in doing this he gave Margarito room to get his shots off. Despite Tony being strong, he is actually quite poor on the inside (see Shane fight) and doesn't know what to do when clinched. Diaz (and Steward, who apparently discussed a Tony rematch and the tactics for it with Cotto before he was sacked) recognised this and they used it to great effect. Im not saying Cotto is his prime becuase his best days were before 2008 however while he regressed physically he improved techincally. Neither Floyd or Manny fought the best Cotto which was an undefeated pre-margarito Cotto in 2008.
     
  9. luy32

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    Nah never those bums like Barrera , Morales, JMM, Cotto , Hatton took a vacation from their prime just to be beaten by Pac, I thought it was obvious for all....
     
  10. Sarcasm? WTF? Learn the word man.
     
  11. oibighead

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    Cotto is a full 154 fighter, Its no different from him moving up from 140. If you go by your logic he was at his best at 140 and as soon as he moved up the first 7 pounds he was bloated.

    Also I disagree with you, MAB was a very good win, but Pac had a big size advantage over MAB on fight night which wasnt really there when he fought Cotto. In my opinion Pac beating Cotto is more of an accomplishment.
     
  12. seansanashee

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    Hatton's prime was before the Mayweather fight at 140. By the time Hatton fought Pac, he was past his prime hence retirement after that fight.
     
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    Posts like these show me the level of poster you truly are. Shite.
     
  14. king khan

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    No, not at all. . That's an analogy fail. . Cotto was cutting too much at 140, just like he doesn't diet, or dehydrate water weight to fight at 154. . . 147 is his best weight when he's training hard, and dieting. . .

    Boxers are best at the lowest weight they can make without draining themselves. But DO NOT confuse "draining" with simply dehydrating yourself of water weight to make weight (which is what 99% of all boxers do). Cotto was perfect at 147.

    Cotto is not even 5'7'', and he clearly carries around excess body fat at 154. It's obvious he's slower, and doesn't have the stamina he did at 147.
     
  15. king khan

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    I have more boxing knowledge in my pinky fingernail than you have in that almond-fized, feeble brain of yours.

    I can break down boxers, and fights so much better than you.

    You only know the "mainstream" boxers, and you simply repeat what is common knowledge. You don't have the intelligence, or insight to actually look past what everybody sees.

    Quite frankly, YDKSAB. . . Roger Mayweather would like to have a talk with you.