Ray Arcel. A Boxing Biography

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  1. Cmoyle

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    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks for this.

    Does he talk much about his work with Teddy and Tommy Yarosz?
     
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    I"ll be ordering this.
     
  4. Cmoyle

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    Does he talk much about his work with Teddy and Tommy Yarosz?

    There are five pages concerning Teddy Yarosz but no mention of Tommy.
     
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    Does it talk about Ezzard?
     
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    Dose it talk about how he ditched Duran after the No Mas fight? It's well documanted that I'm no fan of Duran, but it's chicken **** to ditch someone in their worst hour.
     
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    How clever was Teddy Yarosz as a boxer? I"'ll tell you how clever," Ray Arcel answered. He was that clever I thought he beat Billy Conn three times, not once as the books say and to me Billy Conn was the greatest light heavy of all time and rates right up there with the best fighters in history.


    Al Abrams .
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Google News Archive - Jul 3, 1974
     
  8. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    sounds good but is it just a re-run of the same information and stories in dave anderson's ringmasters or john jarrett's book on arcel (champ in the corner) not trying to put down this new book but dont want to get it and read the same information again. As champ in the corner is a good book but it does re-tell some of the same stories that are in ringmasters
     
  9. Cmoyle

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    Yes, there are a number of pages concerning Ezzard Charles.

    "Dose it talk about how he ditched Duran after the No Mas fight? It's well documanted that I'm no fan of Duran, but it's chicken **** to ditch someone in their worst hour."

    There is a lot of information provided concerning the whole No Mas issue.

    "is it just a re-run of the same information and stories in Dave Anderson's ringmasters or john jarret's book on arcel...."

    Some of the information in this book is covered in those two books but there is an awful lot more that isn't included in either. I don't like to knock other books but I have both on Arcel now and I'd recommend this one over the previous one.
     
  10. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    as you say it has new stuff in i will buy it at some point. Ray Arcel is one of those people i would of loved to of been able to meet and listen too hour upon hour:good
     
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    Heady words about Billy Conn from Ray Arcel, who I saw at Stillman's gym numerous times , training his charges alongst Whitey Bimstein, Freddy Brown, Charley Goldman, Chickey Ferrera, etc. When one of them was out of town for a bout, another trainer took over the duties...
    If Conn was not THE best lightheavyweight ever, he was certainly the best looking LH...Cheers...
     
  12. Jack Dempsey

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    Was eyeing this up recently but the price and the number of pages put me off.

    Bought the other Arcel bio by John Jarrett and found it rather lacking in Arcel info, was mostly padded out with potted bio's of the fighters he trained

    As a side note, whilst looking up on Amazon to remember Jarretts name I noticed he has this coming out

    [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toy-Bulldog-Fighting-Mickey-Walker/dp/0786470402/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1341347166&sr=1-1"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toy-Bulldog-Fighting-Mickey-Walker/dp/0786470402/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1341347166&sr=1-1[/ame]


    Read Walkers own biography and loved it, nice to see another overlooked fighter get a bio
     
  13. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    now your just boasting
     
  14. burt bienstock

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    About what ?
     
  15. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i may of misread your post i thougght you were saying you saw arcel at stillmans gym