Roy Jones in his prime is the greatest ever

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Losing around 20 lbs of muscle is a tall order for a 35 year old world champion. Let's see Mayweather or Hopkins go back down to 130 or 160 and see how they perform.
     
  2. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    you have this weight of 186 on your brain for some reason. the light heavy limit is 175. yes, these days a fighter can usually add on around 8 to 10 lbs (in gatti's case 20) the day before a fight. you're implying that having to make weight shouldn't in this case weaken a fighter. he's got to make 175, not 186. maybe the real fighters in the gym you go to can explain this to you a little better.
     
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    Metalmandible getting dominated.
     
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    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    only if roy jones would have consulted with you before the tarver fights!! you could have saved his career. i'll go to sylvan for my reading skills if you'll go for your math. trust me, 200 lbs with 6% body fat does not equal making 175 easily.
     
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    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    That didn't happen, see previous posts refuting this point.

    Because that is all the muscle/fat that he has to cut. He does not have to weigh 175 lbs except for one day and that is weigh-in day, i.e. the day before the fight. He cuts 13 lbs of muscle/fat, then he sheds whatever is left via water weight, then he rehydrates, end of story. Almost all fighters shed 5-10 lbs of water weight the day of weigh-ins because once rehydrated they can come in with as big of a size advantage as possible with little repercussions. I have cut weight twice in my life and it is uncomfortable, nothing more. Maybe you should try it so that you'll have a grasp of what we are discussing here. You only need a treadmill, a sauna, and a trash bag. This is not string theory, idiot.

    Nothing could have saved him because this wasn't a weight issue, it was a Chin issue. You don't know what you're talking about.
     
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  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    You didn't refute anything :huh It also wasn't a chin issue, it was an old man issue. He lasted the distance but looked crappy and won- so how was it a chin issue :tired
     
  8. SJS19

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    Aside from not being ****ed to argue with MetalMandible, (Not a difficult one to win, some of you muppets are missing a few key points which would **** him over.) I think Jones is potentially the greatest H2H fighter I've ever seen. I don't think we ever have, or ever will see an all around better athlete who had been bred to fight the way Jones has. If you want someone to be extraordinary, then you can't emply ordinary methods when teaching them. - Roy Jones Senior.


    I can't call Jones the best fighter ever, because of his resume. I can speculate him as so, based on my perception of his ability.
     
  9. kmac

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    wow! i wonder why roy jones wasn't as good at cutting weight as you are. i mean you had to do it twice and everything. :lol: i've had to cut weight myself so i know what it's about. no, cutting weight is not string theory but it's good thing you're not a scientist. i'll be sure to consult you before my next fight. :lol:
     
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    i agree with what you're saying. jones' ability was freakish but his resume can't compare to fighters of other eras.
     
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    time will remember roy jones for the following

    - being a proven banned anabolic steroid user the 1st time he was ever drugs tested as a professional

    - folding like a lawn chair when ever faced with adversity

    - not being able to adapt in the ring, when plan A wasn't working, he could not change the fight by adapting to plan B

    - having poor punch resistance

    - never beating a unified or lineal champion in his entire career

    - avoiding the best competition and biggest hitters in each division

    - making big bucks on hbo for fighting bums

    - having the most delusional fanboys in boxing history, they believed in superman and became steroid apologists.




    you fanboys claiming that roy jones is the greatest head to head fighter ever are an absolute disgrace to boxing. how the **** can a proven drug cheat with no chin, no plan B, and no ability to fight in adversity ever be considered one of the greatest head to head fighters ever? peak hagler would completely walk through a clean roy jones and anyone with a modicum of boxing knowledge knows that.
     
  12. kmac

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    exactly, i can't wait for the chincheckers to get started on ezzard charles so they can tell us what a terrible fighter he was because he couldn't take a punch. :)
     
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    - being a proven banned anabolic steroid user the 1st time he was ever drugs tested as a professional

    please show us proof of this being his first drug test.

    - folding like a lawn chair when ever faced with adversity

    see first tarver fight

    - not being able to adapt in the ring, when plan A wasn't working, he could not change the fight by adapting to plan B

    talk to the fighters he faced in his prime

    - having poor punch resistance

    when he got old, yes

    - never beating a unified or lineal champion in his entire career

    hopkins went on to be lineal but who cares about this. he was seen as the best of his era

    - avoiding the best competition and biggest hitters in each division

    if you're referring to the brits at 168 that ran away from jones, i'm laughing right now

    - making big bucks on hbo for fighting bums

    in some cases, yes. see calzaghe's resume for bums.

    - having the most delusional fanboys in boxing history, they believed in superman and became steroid apologists.

    brits are the most delusional fanboys. no question.

    btw headbanger, what do you think about your boy enzo mac testing positive for an illegal substance?
     
  14. turbotime

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    :lol: Hagler was outboxed by the fossil of Ray Leonard, a career welter :patsch But NO Roy couldn't do that.
     
  15. MetalMandible

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    You won't hear me say anything negative about Charles other than the Fact that he did not have a Chin and that is because, unlike Glass Jaw Roy, he did not take his own Glass Jaw into consideration and fought the best competition available to him. It is the same with Tommy Hearns. His Chin was abysmal but he put it on the line against the best fighters of his era.