Larry Holmes an under appreciated Legend and Gentleman .

He is niether

 

Yeah, I know it's the cool thing to just shitbag this guy to no end, but I'm not doing it anymore. I never really did. Sure, there are rematches he didn't have and avenge losses to and many view his opposition as weak... But based on part of my own criteria, I'm walking real line of hypocrisy by putting off acknowledging he's been THE GUY since 2006. He's beaten enough world rated fighters of his own time to be considered Great (while Vitali gave that up or had it derailed by injuries), whatever the hell that means anymore. Marciano and Tyson's opposition isn't looked at in the most glowing light either - but they cleaned house and wiped out what was there. Heavyweights cannot do more and I dont expect him to fight his brother. In a way, I'm sort of glad Tyson comes out a defends them rather than take the bitter has-been route.

:conf

 

Agree to a extend
Talking about Wlad as a person, ya great guy great role model. AGREE.


But as a boxer in terms of ATG Rankings. He got lucky in a soft era. I posted this several times so don't wanna go too much into detail.

But the bottom line is CAN PRIME WLAD BEAT PRIME RuddocK? Of course he can.

That's not the point. The point is if Prime Wlad had to go though a resume of elite B+ Level Fighters like Ruddock, 90's Bruno, Morrison, Tua, etc
he might have been able to beat them all, but he would have taken massive amounts of punishment. Punishment that might cost him to slip up and punishment that will shorten his career.


****, even being in a war against Prime Golota might have shorten Wlad's career.


Wlad look so good at 35 because he feasted on C Level and C+ Level ******s who would have been knocked out within 2 rounds by a 80's Tyson.


If Wlad had to go through a tougher resume, he would not be the same fighter because it would have taken it's toll on his body.



Not to mention he DOES have a ****ing glass chin. Lennox don't have a great chin, but Wlad's chin make Lennox's look like granite.

A 90's era full of big punchers would have cracked him multiple times.


So once again, great person great role model.

But in terms of rankings, the fact he feasted on a weak tissue era have to be taken into consideration.



Having sex with 20 ugly girls does not make you a bigger stud

then the guy who lost his virginity to Katy Perry

 

Good points...

 

Too many ifs and would'ves... I've honestly seen every single heavyweight era with the exception of the 1970s categorized as weak or sub-par at one point or another. I mean every single era, depending on who you ask. The 1990s may be the slight exception, though potentially Monster Fights didn't happen or came far too late.

Trust me, I'm not going off the deep end. He's certainly amongst the Top 15 though, and that's just a reality.

 

Excellent thread !!Was fortunate to meet him at the Michael K show in NY ..

Michael asked him hey Larry why with all the money that you made in your career did you not live in a big city like NY or LA ..He answered ,"well in those cities I have to keep up with the Joneses ,in Easton they have to keep up with the Holmeses .."

 

That's because and with all due respect



The 90's and 70's WERE the only strong eras...

lol

 

Holmes was a weak champion and a racist piece of ****.

The Klitschkos are superior fighters and superior human beings.

Prime Holmes gets destroyed by either Klitschko.

 

But you are a racist piece of **** as well.

So you and Larry should get along just fine wigger boy

 

Ahhh, only a matter of time. atsch

 

Holmes was a great fighter in a poor era but as a person its an *******, at his hall of fame speech he took digs at tyson and foreman and attacked trevor berbick in the street what a gentleman hun

 

See. Do most of us even need to care if Wlad or Vitali is a 'good person'?

**** them

Guys like this pos vladimir23 does more damage to the kbros then any live opponent can

 

We're not that different, you and I. Definitely top 15 :yep

He just needs to sign the Vitali fight, outbox him, and take his rightful place among the TOP atg's.

 

Exacatly man iam a hugh Klitschko fan but this jerk off kills me with the over the top bull****, admire the brothers for what they do and quit trying to make them god its overkill

 

You guys are good posters.

but when Wladimir gets knocked the **** out in 4 years by Anthony Joshua or David Price.. we can then rank him accordingly

in the bottom 30's where he belongs