David Haye to Star in the Most Significant and Most Anticipated HW Event Yet Again

Haye is a counter puncher... get the **** used to it man... **** sake... Is Floyd a runner too??? amazing how these fighters do so well in this sport if all they do is run.

Haye employed hit and don't get hit to very good effect against Valuev and tried to do the same against Wlad but Wlad was too smart and just too good. Wlad smothered when he had to, used his feet to good effect and never threw single jabs.

Vitali is much more open, has no footwork anymore (has the turning circle of an oil tanker), is slowing down ect...
Yes Haye will be on his bike against Vitali but the whole purpose of that movement is to not let your oponent get set, draw them in, slip and counter... against this current version of Vitali that could work very well and this is why i watch boxing. i don't just watch the brawls. Sure it's entertaining to watch a fight that could take place in a phone box but i also enjoy watching fights that may not be quite so busy but equally as competative from a tactical standpoint. Vitali is there to be countered by someone of Hayes speed at the moment so makes for a comptetative fight. Just because both fighters aren't standing toe to toe doesn't make it an irrelavent fight in my eyes

 

You are comparing Floyd using angles, shoulder roll and counter punching to Haye putting on a track meet in the Valuev and Wlad fights?

You can't be serious...

 

The guy is delusional Haye straight up runs what he does is not Defense or counter punching like PBF. Yes Vitali is old but he is harder to land on than Wlad. Haye is a joke and would lose 120-108 to Vitali.

 

No i'm not... I'm making the point that all you ******s seem to see counter punching as just straight up running. lateral movement, draw lead, counter move off = counter punching. Which worked well against Valuev although ver sporadic. Against Wlad, Wlad managed the distance very well and whenever Haye did get in range he either landed some shots or got leant on. Granted it didn't work and he maybe should have opted for a different strategy but calling it straight up running is ******ed and shows a complete lack of boxing knowledge

 

The division needs more Dereck Chisora's. Entertaining characters who are willing to fight anyone anywhere, who will put on exciting fights and try to win. I know people will point out that he showed up out of shape against Fury, but so far that was a one off

 

No.... Vitali used to be harder to land on. This version is much easier to hit than Wlad. As proved by Chisora and Solis before his leg blew out. Neither Chisora or Solis would land anything remotely meaningful on Wlad. They would get smothered the second they got into range, if they could get into Range against Wlad. Wlads footspeed and jab would make it incredibly tough for either of these to get anywhere near punching range.

 

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Vitali has never had footwork. Never. Not sure why you even bring that up. He has always pivoted with the back foot and leaned back out of range. Vitali had an injured arm against Chisora who won 2 rounds. Not sure why you think that is so good. Solis got tapped on his Glass Jaw and his leg also exploded. He wasn't landing anything he was bouncing around the ring like a rabbit.

Chisora landed nothing on a guy with one arm and won 2 rounds. That is awful.

 

Vitali has never used his feet as a form of defence but he used to be quite mobile for a big man. Now if you can keep him turning the angles are there to be found because he just can't get those feet moving anymore.

Chisora landed many punches on Vitali, injured arm or not. Slow as ****, looping shots from a plodder.
Solis was landing the cleaner punches in that fight before his knee went and that was **** all to do with a punch.

You've always been a joke poster on this site Rico... some things just never change

 

A punch clearly landed Solis couldn't handle it and he got his Glass Jaw and knee shattered. Without the punch his knee would have never buckled. It is clear as day. You are the clueless one.

 

Ahhh but Solis was winning at the time of the stoppage so Solis wins :good:hey

 

Are you ******ed? You're honestly going to say that after less than a round of fighting and a pittance of punches thrown that Solis was winning despite the Fact that the only meaningful punch that landed Shattered his Cuban Glass and led to the fat slob tweaking his knee?atsch

 

There is a big difference in footwork, lateral movement, etc... and running.

Examples:

Lead draw: Hopkins uses the lead/draw very effectively..popping a jab but maintaining balance...he gives the impression that hes moving back (and possibly be off balance and open) but in reality is just enough back to make you miss, then hammers you with a counter.

Haye, on the other hand, darts around completely off balance...which is why he can only throw one big punch at a time.

Its not the same thing as what Hopkins is doing. Not even close.


Lateral movement: Juan Manuel Marquez uses balance/footwork (you can't have one without the other) to pivot, get off of the X axis, and position himself to his opponents blind areas, then unloads combination punching. That is lateral movement.

Haye, on the other hand, is running. Running/darting around, is NOT footowork or "lateral movement". Footwork requires maintaining balance while moving and enables you to absorb punches (if you have to) or unload one punch after the other (which again, depends on balance). Haye is constantly off balance.

Valuev vs Haye was NOT a good showing of counter punching. It was a boring ass fight with no effective punching by Haye (except one good shot in the 12th). Losing a World Championship to someone throwing less than 10 punches a round is disgraceful and possibly the worst judging I've ever seen in a pro fight.

Wlad simply beat Haye's ass the entire fight. Haye never had Wlad in trouble or landed a series of punches that made a difference. Haye also instigated the clinching and flopping. Again, disgraceful **** fighting from Haye.

 

He was being sarcastic.

 

You would have thought that was obvious to any stable minded adult... oh wait a minute

 

Oh yes, sarcasm is easily detected through black and white text, particularly on a forum that is populated with morons who have actually said that Solis was "Dominating" Vitali.