Ortiz Searching for New Trainer, Not Happy with How Garcia Handled His Broken Jaw

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  1. bballchamp11

    bballchamp11 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    By Ed de la Vega, DDS
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    A very reliable source close to Team Ortiz was at our dental offices today for his dental work. He told us that Victor Ortiz, the kid they call “Vicious” in Kansas and Ventura County, California broke off with his trainer, Danny Garcia. Garcia is the brother of Robert Garcia, the trainer of unified super bantamweight champion, Nonito Donaire Jr.

    Apparently Ortiz was not too happy about the incident at his corner when he fought and lost via a 9th round TKO to Josesito Lopez of Riverside, CA.

    Ortiz was not happy the way Garcia managed the fight and according to our source that directly resulted in the double jaw fracture that Ortiz suffered during that fateful fight at the Staples Center in LA.

    Ortiz, we were told, advised Garcia at the end of round four that he felt his jaw was broken.

    Garcia however wanted none of that and advised Ortiz to continue to attack Lopez with the hope that he may land a haymaker and KO Lopez. Besides, Garcia felt that Ortiz was leading in the fight so he wanted Ortiz to continue.

    However, Ortiz was hit again in round 9 and the fracture in his jaw got worse. A second break occurred making it difficult if not impossible for Ortiz to close his mouth.

    It was only then that Garcia finally agreed with Ortiz that the fight be stopped. However, it was Ortiz who told the referee that he can not continue and wanted the fight stopped.

    Ortiz it was said is thinking of seeking the service of HOF trainer Freddie Roach but he is concerned about the availability of Roach who trains so many fighters at his gym.

    So besides Roach, he is checking out other trainers he could hook up with when he returns to the gym.

    Ortiz’ jaw is still wired shut. In a few weeks the doctor will be removing the immobilizing “arch bar” and wires that keeps his jaws together. We were told, the reinforcing metal plate that is held by screws however may stay longer depending on the progress of the healing.

    Thereafter, Ortiz can return to eating solid foods again and a few weeks after that, he should be good to return to training.

    As for Garcia, it is perhaps time to look for another fighter to train. You see, Ortiz is the only fighter he trains as he works a day job full time. In fact, he works (for Coca-Cola) from early morning to the middle of the afternoon. After his shift is over he rushes to the gym to train Ortiz.
     
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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    Ronnie Shields or Pedro Diaz
     
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  3. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You could tell they weren't on the same page as the situation unfolded on fight night. Ortiz was the one trying to get the fight stopped and it almost seemed as if Garcia was just ignoring him, wanting to keep on, even as Reiss was inquiring about stopping the fight.
     
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  4. bronx

    bronx Boxing Junkie banned

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    I agree dump that poor excuse for a trainer
     
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  5. Brand814

    Brand814 Active Member Full Member

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    He should go to Robert Garcia, spar with Rios. All kinds of controversy in that move.

    Really though, Cottos trainer Diaz would be interesting.
     
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  6. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Join Sergio's camp... Victor won't have to travel @ all.
     
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  7. Prince.

    Prince. 24/7 365 Full Member

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    Good move Victor.
     
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  8. Cuauhtemoc1520

    Cuauhtemoc1520 Member Full Member

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    The Garcias are excellent trainers since they learned their craft from their father. The problem with Victor Ortiz is he doesn't take well to that tough trainer mentality that the Garcia's have.

    He left Robert Garcia for Danny because of how Robert was treating him. This after Robert took him and Rios in from Kansas.

    I think Victor wanted to quit and Danny didn't allow him to like a good trainer should. His life wasn't in danger and there have been plenty of fighter who have gone on with a broken jaw. Just differences in philosophy and Danny thought he was tougher than that.

    No knock on Victor but I just think he's an incredible athlete and talented boxer but his heart may not be in it 100%.
     
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  9. Heavy Handed

    Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit Full Member

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    Freddie Roach would probably be good for Ortiz. I take it he wants to stay in Cali, he hasn't mentioned any other trainer.
     
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  10. AbanDaNation

    AbanDaNation ESB's Asshole Full Member

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    Freddie Roach would be a terrible choice in my opinion. He should seek the services of Pedro Diaz, or even Emanuel Stewart (always forget is its Steward or Stewart)
     
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  11. motownsiu

    motownsiu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    joe goosen would be good. he's also socal based.
     
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  12. Hermit

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    Split up the brothers then split. Class act. Not that Danny didn't bring this on himself though. Will Victor swallow his prima don pride and work with a coach that isn't 100% dedicated to him? I don't see him lasting at the Wild Card.
     
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  13. Leon

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    I'm not sure if a militant no-nonsense type of trainer like Pedro would want to train someone as sensitive as Ortreez.
     
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  14. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** Off Ortiz, Give Berto his rematch, let him KYTFO and then you can retire.

    Your just a welterweight Andrew Golota
     
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  15. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    No kidding I see Ortiz crying a few times during camp :-(
     
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