Can someone post up an extensive list of both these guys accomplishments Someone posted Fedors the other day - his awards, medal placings in all competitions etc Can someone who can find it please post up the same for Anderson, so we can all get a good look at who really is the GOAT
C'mon Bouche fella...we dont really need another debate on this do we :conf I think everyone has put forward their point of view in the past few weeks anyway
I think I still edge with Fedor, now that my post-fight euphoria has worn off a bit. Decisive wins over the #2 and #3 heavyweights ever, beating them at their own games. I still have him slightly higher because of this. Other than Dan Henderson, Anderson has never beat a great like Nog or Crocop. Sonnen, Franklin, Belfort, Marquardt etc, are very good fighters, but they're not on that level IMO. Still, if Anderson wrecks some more top guys like Henderson again, Rashad and GSP before he rides off into the sunset, he could maybe bridge the gap. Maybe.
We dont reallly thats true But someone posted a gigantic list of Fedors accomplishments, and that simmply couldnt be argued with. No ones done the same for Silva. Would be extremey interesting to see the two's accomplishments head to head, if possiblemont
Ive lost track of how old Hendo is Rashad has never been, and will never be on the level youre talking about GSP? A welterweight? You know as well as i do Popkin. There's ONE fight out there that can prove Exactly how good Anderson is, and he absolutely baulks at the thought of it
You may have lost track of how old Hendo is, but I bet Shogun and Fedor haven't. Dan is still beating top opposition, that matters a hell of a lot more than his age. Rashad isn't an ATG, but I still think Anderson kicking the **** out of him would be a good, solid victory. GSP is an ATG, he dominates big, top-class welterweights with ease. For me, a decisive Silva win over him at 185 would be a meaningful win, much like GSP's wins over Penn are. Silva vs Jon Jones wouldn't prove exactly how good Silva is at all. Jones is an enormous lightheavyweight wrestler who is looking to fight at heavyweight shortly. Putting a 38 year old middleweight in with him is not some legit career-definer, Silva's already proven himself and is just putting the icing on the cake now. Stylistically, GSP vs Silva is interesting. GSP is easily as good a wrestler as Sonnen if not better, and every other facet of his game is better (eg: sub defence). So, a Sonnen vs Silva type battle is not inconceivable. Stylistically, Jones vs Silva is not interesting. After getting outfought on the feet by Machida, Jones knows he is not a striker at the same level as the best Brazilians. He wouldn't take the risk of standing with AS, Bones would just take him down at will. Game over. Too predictable fight to be worthwhile.
And Fedor's accomplishments doesnt include anything like fight of the night, knockouts of the night, or sumission of the night since Pride never had them. All Fedor got from a good fight or a good sumbission was wild applause from the audience. This is why i always point out being battle worn, age isnt the only factor. Hederson and Anderson hasnt fought nearly as much as Fedor. FEDOR EMELIANENKO Mixed martial arts PRIDE Fighting Championships PRIDE World Heavyweight Championship (One time; Last)[111] PRIDE 2004 Heavyweight World Grand Prix Champion[111] Fighting Network RINGS RINGS Openweight Championship (One time; Last)[112] RINGS 2001 Absolute Class Tournament Winner[113] RINGS 2001 Openweight Title Tournament Winner[114] World Alliance of Mixed Martial Arts WAMMA Heavyweight Championship (One time; First; Last)[115] Sports Illustrated 2000s Fighter of the Decade[116] 2000s Fight of the Decade vs. Mirko Filipović on August 28, 2005[116] 2009 Knockout of the Year vs. Andrei Arlovski on January 24[117] MMAFighting 2000s Fighter of the Decade[118] 2005 Fight of the Year vs. Mirko Filipović on August 28, 2005[119] 2005 Heavyweight of the Year[119] 2004 Heavyweight of the Year[119] 2003 Heavyweight of the Year[119] FIGHT! Magazine 2000s Fighter of the Decade[120] Bleacher Report 2000s Fighter of the Decade[121] 2000s Heavyweight of the Decade[122] About.com 2000s Fighter of the Decade [123] Yahoo! Sports 2000s Fight of the Decade vs. Mirko Filipović on August 28, 2005[124] Sherdog 2009 Knockout of the Year vs. Andrei Arlovski on January 24[125] Inside MMA 2009 KO Punch of the Year Bazzie Award vs. Andrei Arlovski on January 24[126] Wrestling Observer Newsletter 2005 Most Outstanding Fighter Black Belt Magazine 2004 NHB Fighter of the Year[127][128] Fight Matrix 2005 Most Noteworthy Match of the Year vs. Mirko Filipović on August 28[129] 2004 Most Noteworthy Match of the Year vs. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira on December 31[129] 2003 Most Noteworthy Match of the Year vs. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira on March 16[129] 2003 Fighter of the Year[129] Sambo Fédération Internationale Amateur de Sambo 2008 FIAS World Combat Sambo Championships Bronze Medalist[130] 2008 Russian Federation President's Cup Combat Sambo Gold Medalist[131] 2007 FIAS World Combat Sambo Championships Gold Medalist[132] 2005 FIAS World Combat Sambo Championships Gold Medalist[133] 2002 FIAS World Combat Sambo Championships Gold Medalist[134] 1997 European Combat Sambo Championships Gold Medalist[6] All-Russia Sambo Federation Russian Combat Sambo National Championship (2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012)[1][135][136][137][138][139] Russian Combat Sambo National Championship 3rd Place (1998, 2000)[17] 1998 Russian Armed Forces Combat Sambo Championships Absolute Silver Medalist[17] 1998 Russian Armed Forces Combat Sambo Championships Gold Medalist[17] Judo International Judo Federation 1999 Sofia Liberation A-Team Senior Bronze Medalist[140] 1999 Moscow International Tournament Senior Bronze Medalist[140] Russian Judo Federation Russian National Championship Senior Absolute 3rd Place (1999)[140] Russian National Championship Senior 3rd Place (1998)[140] Miscellaneous Peace and Sport 2011 Champions for Peace Inductee[141] All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion 2009 Russian Male Athlete of the Year[142] International Olympic Committee 2008 Summer Olympics Torchbearer[143] National Sports Award "Glory" 2008 "Glory" Award for Fair Play[144] Russian Union of Martial Arts 2006 "Golden Belt" Award for Most Outstanding Victory of the Year[145] Imperial Society of Russia First Class Golden Order of the Romanov Family of St. Nicholas II (2010)[146] Russian Federation National State Decorations Committee First Class Order of Peter the Great (2007)[147] Second Class Order For Merit to the Fatherland (2007)[148] ANDERSON SILVA Mixed martial arts Shooto Shooto Middleweight Championship (One time) Cage Rage Championships Cage Rage Middleweight Championship (One time, final) Ultimate Fighting Championship UFC Middleweight Championship (One time, current) Fight of the Night (Three times) Knockout of the Night (Four times) Submission of the Night (Two times) Most consecutive title defenses (Ten) Most successful title defenses (Ten) Most wins in UFC title fights (Eleven) Most finishes in UFC title fights (Nine) Most consecutive wins in the UFC (Fifteen) Longest UFC title reign Cover Athlete for UFC Undisputed 3 ESPY Award Best Fighter nomination (2009)[87][88] Sherdog Sherdog Beatdown of the Year for 2009 win over Forrest Griffin[42] MMA Live MMA Live Fight of the Year for 2010 win over Chael Sonnen[89] World MMA Awards World MMA Awards Fight of the Year for 2010 win over Chael Sonnen[90] World MMA Awards Knockout of the Year for 2011 win over Vitor Belfort[91]
Great stuff monaro :good Its plain to see And the end of the day Fedor Emelianenko Is the greatest fighter in history!
Maybe if Anderson had did something at LHW, a much tougher division than MW, then he could argue his case... he cleaned out the MW division years ago & can easily fight at 205 as proven by his 2 fights there, both first round knockouts... but he`s content to hang around the 185 division til the end of his career it seems. Fedor beating a prime Nogueira twice in clear fashion is so much better than anything Silva has ever done.
Fedor routinely fought guys with 60 + pounds on him. Anderson NEVER fights anyone bigger than him You dont take risks, you have no business being talked about as number 1
I agree that Fedor is greater than Anderson, but that reasoning is dog****. My reasoning is the same as Bill Butcher's - Fedor is greater because his best wins (Nog & Crocop) are significantly better than Anderson's. Your reasoning is awful. Fedor routinely fought guys much bigger than him because that's the way that division operates for small heavyweights. Anderson Silva can't fight guys 60+ pounds heavier than him because his division doesn't operate that way. Simple. Is David Haye a greater fighter than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon because Haye fought much bigger guys than himself at heavyweight, whereas Hagler and Monzon merely cleaned out one of the traditional weight classes of boxing? Crappy logic doesn't work Beouche. And FYI, the guys that Fedor 'routinely' fought who were 60+ pounds heavier than him were mostly rubbish anyway. Fedor's wins over Hong Man Choi and Brett Rogers are nowhere near as meaningful as many of Anderson's wins against guys the same size as him... ...It is the quality of the opponent that's important, not the weight. As ever, I ask the question - what is it about Anderson that makes people think he is really a lightheavyweight who is hiding out at middleweight, is it the fact that he still makes 185lbs with ease even at the age of 38, or is it the fact that he used to fight at world-level at 168lbs??? :blood
That ****ing Anderson Silva, spending his career picking on middleweight midgets like Dan Henderson (world champ at 205), Forrest Griffin (world champ at 205), Chael Sonnen (used to fight at 205), Vitor Belfort (world champ at 205 and former hw), and Rich Franklin (has had many fights 190/195/205)...
