Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ??

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  1. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    I´m interested to know.......
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    They're interchangeable. It is very close between them for me.

    8-14 is the range I like but I can see them higher.
     
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  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I've got Johnson 3 spots higher.
     
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  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    In the past I rated Johnson very high and higher than Dempsey......now ? I´m not sure anymore.....
    They are very close. but I lean towards to Dempsey tbh......he seems better on film IMO, that´s the main reason to me.
     
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  5. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I voted tough to say because I'm a *****.
     
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  6. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Johnson and IMO it isn't THAT close... They are both all time greats.. I just happen to believe Johnson Greatness is clearly above that of Dempsey's
     
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  7. janitor

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    In terms of resume and historical standing, I would have to say Johnson.
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Dempsey
     
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  9. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Johnson.

    I'll defer to someone who actually saw them both fight.

    Nat Fleischer rated Johnson at #1 and Dempsey #4.

    I don't know any better than that.
     
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  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    Yeah, but Nat Fleisher also rated Corbett over Louis and Marciano.....
     
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    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He may have been right. I never saw Corbett. Fleischer did.
     
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  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    Oh c´mon.....
    Louis was the most dominant fighter of all time in any division....Corbett, with 14 wins in his whole career is clearly not greater than him. Unless he was talking about H2H, which would be hard to argue also because they are all related criterias anyway...but perhaps would make more sense......
    Hey, I respect a lot what writers of the old days said....but your argument was just too simple and don´t tell the whole story....
     
    Vic-JofreBRASIL, Jul 10, 2012
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  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Goto be Johnson

    Resume - Johnson, fought everyone in his era, albeit maybe not at the right times.
    Longevity - Johnson fighting at the top level for 13years
    Dominance - both pretty dominant, although Johnson more so, Dempsey has more draw/losses near his prime
    H2H - I'd say Johnson is more complete at figuring out different styles

    Did he though? Fleischer was 10 when Corbett lost to Fitz, 11 when Corbett lost to Sharkey and 13 when he lost to Jeffries for the first time

    If he rated Corbett highly it was based on piecing together history, much like we do
     
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  14. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I rate Johnson higher.

    Both are overrated, in my opinion.
     
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  15. kmcc505

    kmcc505 Sweet Scientist Full Member

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    Dempsey. I'd argue that many people rate Johnson so high because Fleisher did. Not saying its right or wrong. AP writers or something similar voted Dempsey the best fighter of the first half century.
     
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