Dividing the Heavyweight Division

I have suggested this a couple years back on this forum & was basically told to F'off & most were against it.

This thread will be interesting to see how many have changed their views.

 

The only thing you do is limit opposition for the current champs. If the trend continues, I wouldn't mind seeing CW limit increased to 215 since current CWs are allowed to challenge the HW champion if they got the balls anyways.

With a SHW division, you essentially limit the true Champ to fighting the likes of Gabe Brown and super fat asses.

It's not Fury's, or K2, or Ustinovs, or Wachs, or Prices fault they are giants. But in HW boxing there is no limit. If you wanna get fat, get fat if you think you can compete. Nobody is forcing Chambers or Adamek to fight the K2. But by raising the CW limit to 215, guys like Haye could comfortably fight without draining and dominate.

 

I couldn't disagree more. The Heavyweight division's weight is unlimited, and always has been. You know, Light Heavyweight used to mean just that, "Light" Heavyweight. And then came Cruiserweight, which wasn't a bad idea in my view. The next change was adding 10 lbs. to Cruiserweight, thus bringing it to 200 lbs. So adding a Super Heavyweight division is not a good idea. Do we really need Light Heavy, Cruiser, Heavy and Super Heavy? That would make a total of 18 weight divisions. How then would we have seen W. Klitschko-Chambers or W. Klitschko-Haye?

The smaller heavyweights have proven to be able to beat the bigger guys before. Both Ruslan Chagaev and David Haye are smaller heavyweights and they are the only two guys to beat Nikolai Valuev. Evander Holyfield should have won his fight against Valuev and he too is a small heavyweight. Eddie Chambers had no trouble with Alexander Dimitrenko. Tomasz Adamek has beaten a number of bigger guys. These are just a few examples.

The Heavyweight division needs to be left alone. Creating a Super Heavyweight division is like raping the history of this great sport. A lot of great Heavyweight Champions of the past would be Cruiserweights by today's standards. Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Rocky Marciano and Floyd Patterson just to name a few. Just because the big guys of today are more talented then at any time in the past, doesn't mean we need a new weight class. Who are the really talented Super Heavys anyway? The Klitschko brothers. They are well ahead of the other "big" big guys right now. That is pretty interesting. The Brothers Klitschko are so good that people are actually wanting a new weight class. A new weight class = GARBAGE!!!

 

LHW 178lbs
HW 201lbs
SHW 201lb +

Good job demonstrating that you're a ****ing idiot.

 

No, Heavyweight is the unlimited class and it should remain that way. Primo Carnera, Jess Willard, the Baers, etc. were all tall & heavy fighters and they're not considered unbeatable. Lance Whitaker, Tye Fields, Akinwande, Briggs, etc. aren't unbeatable either.

 

No, its a **** idea. Why fragment (and introduce more bloody titles) into a division that can already claim to be the sports weakest. HW's that are considered too small should get down to CW and the others deal with the fact there are alot of huge guys at HW.

Lets not forget at other weights there are alot of guys that come in much heavier than the day of the way in.

 

Not really.

Max Baer 6'2 205
Buddy Baer 6'6 250

Both brothers yet little Max was the better HW and harder puncher. Perfect example to disprove that bogus notion.

 

Not surprising to see most take the purist approach but boxers are getting bigger and bigger. You can't tell me a guy like Wlad and Vitali don't have huge advantages over a lot of HWs. This is especially a big factor if we are talking about elite HWs fighting each other and one guy is 5 inches taller and has 30 lbs on you. I mean come on. No other such advantage exists in any other weight class.

I'm not saying we should add a super HW division but I can't just ignore these advantages either.

 

All your examples of smaller HWs beating bigger HWs are fights between A/B level fighters vs C or lower level fighters. What happens when two A level HWs fight each other and one guy has 5 inches and 30 lbs on you? You really expect the smaller guy to overcome that?

 

More than half the ppl on this forum beleive Ali would school Wlad and Tyson would stop inside 30 seconds.:deal

 

Well, both are ATG HWs. Ali had enough height and speed to make it a good fight and Tyson, although much smaller than Wlad, matched up well stylistically and you can't ignore Wlad's chin issues.

These are just two specific examples of two ATG HWs.

 

**** idea

who are the best fighters today besides the klitschkos ?

thats right a bunch of cruisers in haye adamek and chambers

**** thread

 

Well, I was answering A level vs A level which essentially includes only HOFers and ATGs.:think

 

HW in amateurs is effectively cruiserweight.