once the klitchos retire the heavyweight division will get hot real quic

Zapp, I think you are missing one small peace of the puzzle. Wladimir and Vitali have faced each other's opponents, but generally not right away if the other defeated him. It takes time after a loss to build yourself back up to championship challenger status. It just does not make sense for Chambers or Thompson to immediately be given a title shot vs. Vitali, or Arreola and Solis to be given a chance for Wladimir without winning some fights to earn it. After losing vs. Vitali, Chisora did not deserve to face Wladimir, especially after spitting in his face. Haye likewise, is not exactly well-liked by the brothers Klitschko. I understand your frustration, but there are not too many "Klitschko-losers" deserving of facing the other brother for a title shot. In the future, most Klitschko challengers are likely to be Pulev, Abdusalamov, Mitchell, Jennings, Ustinov, Helenius, Perez, etc. (not necessarily in that order of course).

 

I think the fact that the K bros are champs is what is killing you :yep

The US - and the type you want to see as HW champ - is not going to dominate the HW div. Only if and when the US continues to decline, and you don't see millions of fat poor people on food stamps, will the US get back into the game. Most US citizens - including blacks - have become too soft. The era of the 20th century when US HWs dominated is long gone. Hell, in that era men from the Communist block couldn't compete. Less than a generation when they were able to compete, they took over :deal

 

What a dumb**** thread. "They pick the worst opponents" hah, they have mandatories and "the best" opponents refuse to fight them, and when they do (Haye) and lose horribly, they're no longer considered good opponents to begin with.

Utter dominance has a way of making every opponent look like **** regardless of merit.

 

HW fighters are just ****. They're fat and slow these days, not cut and athletic.

Saying that when the two best guys leave the division is what will make it better is ridiculous. It's still gonna be overweight, slow and unfit giants boxing like ****, they'll just be more evenly matched.

Division doesn't need Klit bros out, it needs more like them in it.

 

:deal

No offense to the Klitschko's but when you have two guys who are on a similar level it makes up for a more interesting and entertaining fights like this:

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I think you forgot Fury and Price, and another fringe will emerge in there too, Boystov, Glazkov, Szpilka....any of the three could string a few big wins together and get there name in there. Boystov is has basically been offered the Vitali going away fight.......seems Arreola could be meeting him for the vacated strap.
Yeah, I'd like to see Arreola, or whoever Sulieman handpicks to fight Wlad right away, but likely, one or two on that list is gonna take up a yr of the WBCs titlists time next yr.

 

Yes that was a very good and entertaining fight.

But what else are you saying? When Joe Louis was dominant you can argue the HW division sucked. Why not? There wasn't much comp for many years - and JL didn't even have to face any fighters from the Soviet block. This is the same lame argument K bro haters have been making for years :-(

Will the HWs continue to be "bad" if Tyson Fury wins a belt or two?

 

My list was not meant to be comprehensive, more so to show that the challengers of the future are the up and comers, not re-treads from the past. I myself cannot wait for these future fights to materialize. The IBF tournament is clearly a step in the right direction, but there are many more fighters who could bring exciting matchups.

 

No I don't hate the Klitschko's at all, it's like the B-Level guy don't/can't step up, The class level is too great, but there have been good scraps over the years (Not as good as Liakhovic-Brewster) between the lower level guys:

Toney-Rahman I & II
Helenius-Liakhovich
Brewster-Etienne
Chisora-Helenius
Fury-Chisora
Helenius-Brewster
Fury-Firtha
Fury-Pajkic
Povetkin-Chambers
Huck-Povetkin
Vitali-Chisora
Helenius-Peter
Toney-Peter I & II

 

Did not mean to imply you hated the K bros. Although having an avatar w/DH might be an indication

I basically agree w/your view. But what the K bro haters troll is b/c they're dominating, the HW div. is bad. Which is why I used the J Louis example.

 

hrmmm? After the top fighters leave the division, the Heavyweight division will get better? In a technical sense, no lol.

If your point REALLY is that once the strongest fighters leave, American boxers have a better chance to stand out and shine - yes. How much shine, though?

My point is - exactly how valid is Heavyweight boxing in the post-2010 arena of action sports? Not very at all.

I think there's a direct cause and effect in play when MMA hit the ground. A fighting sport with spontaneous action and greater elements of surprise and chance. Now even their heavyweights are languishing a bit compared to their lighter weights.

I think the post-2010 sports enthusiasts are expecting more action out of the sport, especially in boxing and mma. The heavyweights generally don't deliver the level of action expected these days from the casual watchers. They DEFINITELY are not going to buy a boxing ppv as much as a lighter weight would.

The classic catch with watching heavyweights was to catch a spectacular KO while compromising with a 20-30 punch output. BUUUTTTTT, now you got featherweights who can put up to 100 punch output per round AND get a spectacular KO. So, with deductive reasoning, where IS the action at? The lighter weight classes (supermid and lower).

I dont think America is going to be able to put together a strong and constantly successful Heavyweight program (albeit there should be a phenom that will pop out of the blue and maybe spark something). A couple reasons - offensive & defensive linemen are paid more than they used to be paid, and they get more recognition than in the past. That takes a chunk of big guys. Now we are getting more and more fatty mcfat fat baseball players who specializes in whacking the ball with their mass for homeruns instead of finessing the plates. And nevermind that Boxing has progressed to be more well-sponserd as an international sport, with fighters flooding in from every corner of the earth, thus creating more competition, and bettering the sport overall.

Another thing to consider - the ratio of true Heavyweights available versus the "normal-sized" guys. I dont know the ratio, but i know there's a helluva more normal sized guys than big ass guys. Therefore, you have a greater pool of guys to draw from that will find there way into the World of Boxing, versus true heavyweights. And boxing possibly draws more of the smaller guys versus the normal-sized guys, cuz there's not too many "professional" active sports that sees smaller guys as being advantageous (ala Bigger, Taller, Stronger, Faster). Smaller guys get fairly distributed by weight class in the World of Boxing.

So...... i dont think the Heavyweights will get magically better cuz the best 2 fighters leave. I think an American Heavyweight might have a chance to shine, but poorly. I dont expect a flood of interest from the US-side even if there's a couple strong american fighters. Heavyweights will never sell in the post-2010 as they did in the golden era and pre-mma, due to the level of progression of action sports and action expectations. IMO, those who cling to the notion that Heavyweights will rise up again are stuck clinging to some idealism which is already in the past.

 

"And then, Vitali Klitchsko so loved the heavyweight division, that he gave his only begotten title away as sacrifice. Retiring, so the young, shitty, contenders could squabble for the trinket he left behind."

 

This is exactly wht will happen it will be a bunch of fighters who will win and lose the belts a bunch and will be a mess for several years

 

Very good analysis :good

 

that's right once KLits are gone ,bums like Fury,Price, Boytsov, Pulev will get a chance to win the title.