List some of the classic boxing question that had no convincing answers. I'll start: Why did Roberto Duran quit in the 2nd fight against Ray Leonard? Why did Liston threw both fight against Cassius Clay?
What were d causes of Tommy West's stoppage over Richard Ihetu and Juan Escobar's stoppage over Rodrigo Valdez ? Did Roberto Duran stop Ernesto Marcel or not ? if so then how ? How many of sam Langford's , Jack Dempsey's and Harry Greb's fights were fixed ? (i believe a lot more than any1 else here would believe) and until when was it so popular 2 fix fights ? (i believe Muhammad Ali was 1 of d last whose legacy benefits so much from it) . Was Ruben Olivares' body blow that knocked Ramirez out low ? How many of d "BMR"'s fights fixed ? there were a few NCs due 2 inactivity between them . Arnold Cream vs Lee Q Murray also ended by DQ due 2 Murray's not trying . Was Cream trying more than Murray ? Y were some modern fight of d color TV era lost 2 abandon ? many fights really . from d 1980s and also later . Y do ppl like 2 ignore simple facts and have heroes ? how does it correlate 2 their homosexuality ? r they really closet homosexuals that crave d BBC (sometimes just some certain schwanz) ?
Liston was owned by the Mob. The reason these fights were rigged is anybody's guess. The second fight wasn't thrown. It was wrongly stopped by referee Walcott. Liston was not counted out. Walcott may have been in on the fix. I think Liston intended to take a dive but never got the chance.
1 - Duran was getting owned and he knew it. He was psychologically broken because not only was he losing but was getting badly taunted. He hated to get embarrassed, so he quit rather than get taunted further. 2 - Don't think Liston threw fight 1 at all. I think he was surprised at the speed, power, and elusiveness of Clay. The bully got owned and he quit rather than get stopped, as I'm sure he sensed would happen eventually. 3 - Maybe he took a dive, maybe he didn't. We'll debate and discuss this one until we are blue in the face. But as someone accurately pointed out, Liston never received a count, and he did not remain down, but got up and resumed boxing. Walcott totally screwed up and should have allowed the fight to continue. When I first watched it from the frontal view, I thought it was a dive, but when you watch the side view angle, it looks like a pretty darn good and fast punch that landed right on the jaw. Slo-mo replay shows Liston's jaw buckle. So the more I watch it the more I think it was legit. But maybe I just want to give Sonny the benefit of the doubt. Marciano saw it and said it did look like Ali got his body and shoulder behind the blow just at the last moment, right at impact, so it was a deceptively powerful blow. I don't think Liston saw it coming at all, and Sonny increased its power and effect by leaning forward into it as he reached with his jab. Keep in mind also the fact that Liston had not exactly been an active fighter, and he was getting on in years. Fighting once a year for three years or so, you aren't going to be at your best. Ali used a very similar counter right over a lunging jab against Williams and Folley, with great effect against both as well. It may have just been a wonderful counter punch. But what always bothers me a little bit about it is the way Liston gets up to one knee and then falls back down again. I always thought that looked a bit funny/off. And you can't help but watch that punch and think it wasn't powerful enough to drop a big strong guy like Liston who had been hit much harder in his career and never dropped and stunned like that. Plus that was Ali's only 1st round KO in his entire career. At the end of the day, you can't know for sure how badly a guy is hurt from a blow unless you are the one hit by it. Some thought Oscar took a dive against Hopkins because that body shot didn't look like much, but I think it was legit. Crazy things happen in boxing.
Another thing to give pause was Liston's post fight reaction to the "KO". He didn't complain about it. He said essentially that it was a fair punch and the best man won. He should have been screaming and demanding a rematch. This is what I think happened. Liston went into the fight intending to lose. Whether the knock down was real or fake (which I believe it was), Liston was going to stay down for the count. The crowd started booing and Clay was screaming at him to get up and fight. Liston knew it wasn't convincing and decided to get up and maybe go down the next round and make it look better. Walcott botched it and the fight was stopped.
Stop posting **** . All of "D Greatest"'s victories were 4eal . Give d fighters d credit that they deserve . Fixed fights and cheats R very rare . Leonard's , Jones' , Ali's , Langford's and Duran's records r 100% (purely) relevant . And Rocky Marciano's opponents were still at their most dangerous when he beat them .
Anytime someone is finished with a shot to the body, alot of people seem to think it's a dive. They do not understand what a shot to the body, espically the liver, can take out of someone.
Sweet post! Personally i think Liston was to take a dive in the rematch. There's a lot of factors pointing that way. First was legit.
first fight between ali and liston was on the level, the second, no way.ali himself knew he hadnt hit liston hard enough to deck him and a fighter always knows when he's landed a big bomb
Why do you think the Olivares win over Ramirez could of been a low blow? Have you read something about the fight? I've never found anything on it and am curious to find out more.
Why do you think the Olivares win over Ramirez could of been a low blow? Have you read something about the fight? I've never found anything on it and am curious to find out more.
Because it could have been and since no1 knows and there r possibly more foul outcomes in this sport than strictly correct 1s i have 2 ask it . Not that i claim that that what happened but it could b .
