Was Roach at fault for Khan tko Lost? I say yes and heres why....

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  1. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Lampley or Max said in the 1st round that Roach wants Khan to not move around and just stay flat foot. I'm saying to myself "Has Freddy lost his mind?" cause yes Khan can punch and is very fast but he's has been hurt before many times so why stay flat footed vs a big puncher like Garcia? I said to myself "If Garcia survive the first 2 or 3 rounds that he will catch Khan with something big." And damn he did indeed catch Khan with a huge left hook out of no where. <<And from there Khan wasnt the same. But imo this lost is really Roach fault cause imagine Roach telling Khan to stay flat foot vs Maidana? Maidana would have also got an early ko win. I just dont understand what Roach is thinking.
     
  2. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    Roach is not to blame for Khan over extending and throwing a terribly timed and out of place UPPERCUT.

    Khan literally threw the right uppercut before he had even pulled his jab back..

    Out of position and wide open. Garcia perfectly countered...

    Khan lacks ring intelligence and defence more than anything.

    He seems to far put in his ways to change his defence

    But his ring intelligence can and needs to be improved. All he has to do is get in and out. simple as that. and never throw a risky shot.

    All he had to do was wear down Danny for 6 rounds then he might have been able to throw the shot he did with less risk attached.


    Freddie said himself... Khan was too desperate for the knockout...

    After the first two rounds Khan should have known Danny was going to be there for a while...

    Khan shouldn't have watched Haye KO Chisora beforehand lmao... put to much pressure on himself to win in style.
     
  3. sp95qdog

    sp95qdog New Member Full Member

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    Roach is over rated. lol.
     
  4. TonyD407

    TonyD407 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roach is at fault in a percentage but not completly

    roach is a GREAT OFFENSIVE COACH

    but NOT DEFENSIVE

    when things dont go to plan roach hasnt got a clue what to tell his fighters !!!!!!!!

    look at pacquiao v jmm / mosley & bradley

    and linares v demarco

    plus

    khan v maidana / peterson & garcia

    the truth is a fighter like khan needs a trainer like manny steward
    or naz richardson

    or even i hate to say it ..... Floyd snr !!!!!!!

    someone who will teach him fast shots with blocks & parry's

    he even brought a bit of slickness to hattons work ...lol

    Roach has took him so far but he has to change end of story !
     
  5. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Ok and now tell me how it isnt roach fault if he was telling khan before the fight that to be flat footed and just use his speed and power to get garcia out of there? I havent seen khan fight flat footed in years and years.
     
  6. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    Nacho always seemed to be the perfect trainer for khan
     
  7. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Roach has no training skills. none
     
  8. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Khan is in love with his speed and think it will compensate for a lack of D. Thats really all there is to it.
     
  9. polowear28

    polowear28 Active Member Full Member

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    Both their egos underestimated Garcia.
     
  10. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Roach is not responsible for Khan carelessly launching in with attacks.

    And when Roach said he wanted Khan to be more flat-footed, he just meant that he didn't want him bouncing around constantly and burning his energy - like he did against Peterson and Maidana. He didn't mean 'stay still within punching range and not have your gloves up or head moving'.
     
  11. Sheikh

    Sheikh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    miniq hit the nail on the hand with that post. i think freddie has been good at increasing amir's offense. amir used to have no power at all but now he can punch pretty good and hurt guys where as before his ko's were mainly against jounreyman. the thing about freddie he hasnt taught amir how to fight on the inside or hold when hurt. i dont know if thats freddie fault as the teacher or if it is amirs fault as the student.
     
  12. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Lol dude flat footed basically means he wants Khan to stay still and just use his speed and power to get garcia out of there in which that was roach huge mistake and it cost his fighter. Its not soo hard to figure that out.
     
  13. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, you silly toss-pot. If you had followed Roach's thoughts and comments in the build-up to both Peterson and Garcia (instead of going only by what the HBO commentary heard in the corner), you'd have heard his 'flat-footed' instructions being accompanied with him wanting Khan to step around the ring as opposed to running and bouncing. He said he wanted Khan "a little more flat-footed", not "completely flat-footed".

    Forward to 1:00 here:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z171ssfi8f0&feature=relmfu[/ame]
     
  14. BleedingEdge

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    Yep.

    Roach wanted Khan to conserve his energy more, and transferring some of it from bouncing around (sorry, he ain't Manny P) to putting a little extra mustard on his punches.

    :patsch @ fight 110% flat-footed
     
  15. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did they even ice him down after the 3rd?:think

    Can't remember if they even gave him a splash or not to help him slear the cobwebs.:think