Prime Calzaghe is a H2H Beast

If you cant answer and just say its insane then you really dont have a sensible answer.
Now I do think Roy would have faded between those times, but that was only exposed by levels and I cant see that big a difference and lets not forget Jones failed a test for that fight with Hall
Amazing how all thses people claim Jones was shot yet cant explain the post below.
People say Roy was shot when Calzaghe beat him but show me where he was so different there to when he failed a test against R Hall and where the hand speed was so different. The difference was Jones was facing someone who could match him for speed and had a bit more ring generalship. Hall couldnt close the gaps like Calzaghe also Calzaghes foot movement was causing Jones problems

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No doubt there will be some that say well if you cant tell the difference, but let them explain.
Nobody can tell me the difference in Jones, but you can see the difference between Calzaghe and Hall and that seemed to make a big difference

 

yes he is :deal

 

Bailey,

Thanks for your reply.

If you think the SMW had better quality, that's fair enough. What I'm saying is, he'd have earnt more money and he'd have got more global recognition, if he'd have fought the likes of Johnson and Tarver. Kessler was his career defining fight. How many people outside of europe do you think were interested in that fight? That fight was not a huge event outside of europe.

My whole argument is Joe saying that he chased Roy. You can't get Roy into the ring if you're fighting european (however good they are) fighters in europe. He says he wanted Roy and he wanted to be well paid, but this was not possible.

Yes in my opinion, if Joe had've left the SMW division and won a belt at 175 from Roy or Tarver, then yes I think that would of eclipsed him unifying the SMW division. Because in my opinion, Tarver and Roy Jones were better fighters than Kessler.

Yes all of the SMW's were in europe, and that was Joe's weght class. That's fair enough, but again you're missing the point. He claims he wanted Roy badly. How was he going to get Roy in the ring by fighting european SMW's, when Roy was an American LHW? There would have been no call for the fight outside of Britain. Do you think the American's watched Calzaghe knock Veit out? He had to make a name Stateside to drum up interest in a fight with Roy. That was his only option of getting the fight.

The point I was making about Manfredo, was that Frank wanted him to take the fight to gain U.S. exposure. But if Joe had've moved up to 175 earlier, he'd have got his U.S. exposure, and he could have fought the likes of Tarver before Hopkins beat him.

Fair enough regaring Toney, but it was an example of 175 fighters who he could have mixed with.

I brought Griffin up, because he was world famous after his fights with Roy for various reasons. Joe could have tried getting fights of this stature in the U.S. and making a name for himself, to potentially land a fight with Roy.

Again Reid and Woodhall were good fighters, and yes they were big fights in Britain. But once again, they didn't make waves in the U.S. If you wanted Roy in the 90's you had to make waves in the U.S. (if you were from another country) or it was a non starter.

When was Joe always calling him out? When? He mentioned his name a few times and continued to fight at SMW in europe. Again he wasn't going to get Roy in the ring by doing that. He had to make sacrifices, such as going to America, and fighting at Roy's weight.

Once again, he's on the Tyson undercard talking about Roy, and then look who he went on to fight. Ricky Hatton could have called Floyd out after every fight, but he ended up going to the U.S. and calling him out, and he moved up to Floyd's weight class.

How is it proven that he called him out for years? Just because he said so? I've already exposed him. He was lying through his teeth. Go and look at the video of him dismissing Roy, that Zod's put up. It's a joke.

Again, How the **** was Joe going to get a fight with Roy, when Roy was trying to unify the 175 division, and Joe was fighting Woodhall at SMW. When Joe was fighting Woodhall, nobody outside of europe knew who he was.

You haven't proven anything regarding Joe chasing Roy. Joe saying he chased him isn't proof. Don't look at what he said, look at what he did, there's your proof.

Beating the best SMW's in the world at home, is not going to get you a fight with an American at LHW is it? They would have had to have given Roy silly money, for him to have dropped back to 168 around that time. He already had an eye on going up to heavy. Frank didn't have the money to bring Roy over here, or down in weight. There wasn't enough money to go around, because Joe also wanted silly money.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Bailey,

Even though I don't agree with a lot of what you say, it's clear that you have a good knowledge of the sport. But when you post up rubbish like this, I can't take you serious, because it has to be a wind up?

You haven't even got a case to debate, because Joe himself has said that Roy was shot. You literally have no argument.

In 2006, Joe himself said that Roy wasn't the same.

Zod has just posted up a video of Joe saying the exact same thing in 2008.

That's it!

The Roy version of Hall was nearly peak.

The Roy version of Calzaghe was nearly 40 years old. He'd suffered two knockout defeats, one of which was a crushing one, that left him out for minutes. He was 3-3 in his last 6 fights, and his reflexes had slowed considerably. His punch resistance had gone, and his legs weren't the same, which affected his once great footwork. Yes he still had his great handspeed, but he couldn't get in and out of range like he used to be able to do. His confidence had also taken a terrible battering.

He still has great handspeed today at 43, but he can't get his shots off.

So how could he have been the same at 40, as what he was when he was the best fighter in the world at 31?

You're being silly!

Do you think the version of Roy, that fought Anthony Hanshaw and Felix Trinidad, was the same version that fought Reggie Johnson in 99, just a year prior to Hall?

Regards, Loudon.

 

Bailey,

I've just read your response to Zod.

You call Johnson a journeyman. But 2 or 3 months ago, you started a thread titled "Did Roy Jones start to lose when his competition stepped up"

Glen Johnson wasn't a step up in competition for Roy, you've just admitted as much, that's why it's hard to debate with you.

You've also asked if Roy, Tarver etc dared to face DM?

DM had the WBO belt, and had no intention of leaving Germany. He'd got it cushy. Nobody was going to fight in Germany, when the judging was disgraceful. Some of Ottke's opponents were getting raped by the judges. Also HBO offered DM $5 million to go to the U.S. and he declined on two occasions.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Calzaghe is the best SMW ever. He beats Hopkins at any stage, stop acting like Joe was in his prime at 37 or whatever.

 

Shaz, you are making the classic Calzaghe nuthugger mistake of switching their ages around in your head even though you get them right on paper. It was Bernard that was a lot older than Calzaghe, not the other way round.

And it was Bernard who fought prime opponents when he got older. It was Calzaghe who avoided them when he got older. It wasnt the reverse and its pointless to pretend that the opposite was the case.


These are the two valid points that keep getting raised, and keep getting not just ignored, but REVERSED by Zaghenuthuggers like Bailey and then they label these lies as 'facts'. Its bad enough ignoring facts, but to reverse them is putting you on the same level as the Klithuggers like Vladimir23.

 

Bailey,

Roy was exposed by levels? What do you mean?

 

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I never said he was shot. You are the one who has no idea what shot means. I said he was clearly past prime, by the time he fought Ballagou. When you become a champion your first aim should be to try and unify the division, proving that you are the man in that division. Not just another belt holder.

Of course he was a green contender back then. How on earth could he be anywhere near prime when he still building up his confidence and skill set by beating stiffs?

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Calzaghe had no problem fighting guys like Mitchell, Brewer, Salam and Woodhall who were coming off recent losses, but Glen loses his chance because he drops a questionable decision to Woods? If Calzaghe was so serious about fighting at lhw then he would of challenged Woods.

Grow up

Johnson was a journeymen at smw, but he found his footing at lhw,which is why he was voted Ring fighter 2004 and has wins over Tarver, Woods and Jones(ATG).

Describe Woods's skill set going into the Jones fight then describe it going into the Johnson fights?

Triangle theory?
Did Rochh fight a Eubank that had took the fight at 11 days notice and had lost to Collins twice? Styles decide fight outcomes not your bizarre use of triangle theory

Thats a different topic altogether. we are talking about the fights available for Calzaghe 7 lbs north

Why on earth are you so obsessed with Jones?
For the record Calzaghe never cleared out any division. When the concept of a unified champion was put forward the belts involved were the wbc, ibf and the wba. The wbo wasn't included because it wasnt seen as a legit belt. Calzaghe had the wba, wbc and wbo but not the ibf belt. How on earth can you clear out a division when there is still a fighter in there with a recognized belt?

Tarver arrived on the scene around 2000. If Calzaghe had moved up much sooner then he could of fought him. Instead of seeing this you are again using triangle theory. Foreman beat Frazier who in turn beat Ali and look how Ali-Foreman turned out.

A fighters skillset is not a static thing, it is a dynamic thing which can change over time. G.Johnson was a much better fighter at lhw. If you bothered to watch any of his fights then you would know that. Instead you just look at boxrec stats.

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No one knows why Dawson moved up at that point unless you have some inside info then it is foolish to think that the only reason Dawson moved up was because he was scared of calzaghe. He was so scared that he wanted to fight him when Calzaghe became the ring no 1 at lhw, with Calzaghe saying that he was not interested.
I'm terrified of you in 06 but willing to fight you in 08?

 

Do you have any idea the amount of fights there are out there? Do you think everyone has the time or energy to watch every fight live? A lot of fights are hard to find which is why I join boxing forums and swap fights. Most of the Liles, Nunn and Toney fights on youtube were uploaded by me. For all the guys who never had the chance to watch them when they originally came on TV. At least I have watched the fights unlike you mr "I only know boxrec and the last few years of boxing on sky sports."

 

When you are forced to start hyping up wins over guys like Veit then you know you are in trouble

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Calza...US+superstar+Jones;+BOXING.(Sport)-a064184717

Benn never said that and what is your source?

 

Bailey (aka knockout artist aka timeout) is obsessed with Jones.