Who hit harder Haye or Ali?

Ali would not have KO'd Valuev through power, he could have stopped him due to the fact he would be dancing round him hitting him at will though.

He would not have had him doing a silly dance with one shot

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I repeat, The GOAT heavyweight, Muhammad Ali, would not have had a 300lb man doing a chicken dance with a left hook.

He's stopped everyone he's faced bar 4 people. 2 of them he lost to, and one was Valuev.

Murderers row doesn't really have anything to do with chins.

Tyson didn't exactly face a murderers row of opponents but he brutally stopped them nonetheless. (as he should have done)

Most of the cruiserweights Haye faced (including Haye himself) would have been heavies back in Ali's time.

I'm not saying Haye is a better boxer, has faced better competition or anything like that, he simply has more power

Im not sure it's even debatable

 

It's not, people are just ridiculous fanboys,I'm not a Haye fan by any stretch nor is he in the same league as Ali skillwise, but he punches harder.
Clear as ****ing day.The posters on here saying Haye couldn't have hurt Foreman or Fraizer are foolish.

 

What a fantastic current golden era we are living through where the 5th best HW stands a fantastic chance of KOing Muhammad Ali in a shoot out who lets remember is incredibly easy to hit.

Would the 'rope a dope' that Ali used to beat the biggest puncher he faced in his era work against the Hayemaker? I'm not sure.

 

So you don't think Haye can floor Ali? If they fought what odds would you give Haye of flooring Ali?

 

Ali could bang when he wanted. Ali would destroy haye in any way. Box, brawl whatever

 

I knew this would happen.Hate beats a domestic level fighter with no credentials and coming off 3 losses and now hes being touted as haivng a shot at Ali. While yes Haye has more single shot power he throws far fewer punches and loads up on his shots and tires quickly. Ali is levels above him and the mere mention of Haye to Ali makes me cringe

 

Okay, I grant you the Frazier point.

Haye repeatedly floored Ruiz, but Ruiz got up did he not? I mean Haye decked him in the very first round and needed another eight rounds and two knockdowns to finish it, while Ruiz was still standing.

Haye hit Valuev with frigging everything he threw for 12 rounds. Valuev had no head movement. Yes Haye hurt him in the closing seconds of the final round with a single shot, but its hardly as if Valuev hadn't taken any prior punishment in the fight is it?

As for Chisora, he has a very good chin, but its not as if he has never been hurt or rocked before. People talk about him as if he is some kind of modern Marciano for goodness sake. Haye caught him with as sweet a left hand as he's ever thrown and Chisora still got up.

And lets not forget that Haye fights on his heels, Ali fought on his toes.

In my eyes, I'm not the one doing the over-rating. It's a lot closer than this poll's results suggest. And I don't care about physical size of modern heavies compared and all this. That's a matter of circumstance. If we were born in the 1920's we'd be scrawnier too. It's about who you fought. Ali, for me, fought harder men and put a lot of them down. Its that simple.

 

My instinct says that you're out of your mind. Times change, heavyweights were small in that time and they weren't the athletes that the likes of Haye are. You had characters and legends from those old days, if they were around today they wouldn't be anything special, take the glasses off

 

And why are people pulling out the "OMG ALI WOULD SMASH HAYE IN A FIGHT" scenario, this is a given! And not atall what this thread is about.
A better poll would have been "does Haye hit harder than Foreman" .. pretty sure the poll results wouldn't be as lopsided then haha

 

This is ESB, if a boxer was around at the time of black and white photography they are instantly better than any of their modern day counterparts.

 

Ali had real explosive fast twitch power ,together with a bigger structure than Haye.


It's Ali punching technique that's the difference.He never threw really big shots,where he stepped into and threw his body into a punch.The same reason that accounted for his lack of bodypunching. It's the technique that's missing.


For whatever reason, Ali ,when he came out of the amateurs into the pro-ranks,never did learn the mechanics of how to punch properly. Maybe he was too set in his unique style,maybe he didn't want to commit to a punch and risk being hurt by a counter,maybe he didn't like the idea of really hurting his opponents, maybe he could dominate his opponents with his superiority in size,speed, strength and endurance that he didn't really need to be a devastating one shot puncher...


Why change something that worked for him so well both in sparring and in fights?

 

sad to say but Haye.

 

Wouldnt be anything special today huh? Is that why George Foreman came back at 45 an won a portion of the title in a better era than today. fool...

 

1) Like I said previously- "I don't care about physical size of modern heavies compared and all this. That's a matter of circumstance. If we were born in the 1920's we'd be scrawnier too. It's about who you fought. Ali, for me, fought harder men and put a lot of them down. Its that simple"

2) Like you said previously- "Times change". I presume what you mean is: there is now greater awareness of health and nutrition, there is now technology, there is now a far-different culture, there is now no longer a need to fight multiple times per year( at least).

I don't care about the quality of their weightlifting exercises improving or their dietary regimes becoming more scientific. I care about the people you fought in your era how you did against them.

Your last comment is just plain ignorant. How old do you think I am? I don't give a **** about whether someone fought in black and white or not. As a matter of fact I find it very annoying when sometimes having to watch old fights in **** quality, but that is by the by.

 

Haye comes back an so do his **** riddaz


to answer the question

Haye seems to be the bigger puncher