Based on their last fights, who do you now lean towards to win the fight?

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  1. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Yea, he can turn him wif a check hook presenting him wif a new angle to chain a right after it for a quick combo.

    We'll see the counter hook over the southpaw jab again. It was almost non-existent against Ortiz since that kid knows he has a toy jab and barely uses it for that reason. emmanuel on the other hand is opposite of economical and loves to put random jabs out there, especially the double.
    Floyd has to watch out for that counter. If there's any punch Floyd throws that can make him somewhat vulnerable, it's his left hook. Not the check hook, left hook to the body, or leaping hook, but his standard lead hook to the head. He doesn't throw it too tightly, probably to protect his hand, and it'll often be the thumb up slap variety. Even that left hook in the combo that stopped Ortiz was a slapping one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q191D_1RENQ#t=5m11s

    Corley actually caught him in a very similar manner to that GIF. Corley hit him about 4 times with a left hook whenever he bobbed and weaved under Floyd's shots and came back up with a left hook. I always said an ATG swarmer would be Floyd's toughest stylistic matchup.

    People mention the Judah fight often, but I think the Corley fight is the most I ever seen him hit with hard headshots.

    Fortunately, that southpaw left hook was no longer there once Floyd started laying off of mid-range by jabbing or going into reverse gear. It was only troublesome when he was trying to brawl.

    Floyd should be good as long as he maintains long distances with his jab. This shouldn't be too hard seeing as he's been relying on his jab more now that he's older and ever since coming out of retirement. Many types of jabs will do whether it's the standard stiff one to the face, flickers, or even the jab to the body.

    He should avoid the step-in power jab, Cotto(e) kept doing this and ate left cross counters for it. Timmeh showed us how effective the lighter kind of jabs can be against emmanroid.
     
  2. leftleftright

    leftleftright Active Member Full Member

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    Bradley's problem in that gif is that he didn't pivot his right foot behind him. He threw a hook, not a check hook. If he threw a check hook Manny wouldn't have hi him cleanly.

    If Manny fights the way he normally does Floyd will tear him apart. Manny's in and out straight line movement will get countered by straight rights and check hooks when he fires. By the fourth round Manny will shoot in and go down when Floyd steps over and meets him with a straight right. Manny either:

    1 -- tries to change his gameplan (stops rushing in, reduces his punch output) and loses a clear wide UD 11-1 or 10-2, or

    2 -- more likely continues doing what he does and is KO'd or TKO'd by the 7th a la Hatton. Hatton lasts longer in the ring with Floyd than with Manny because Floyd finds it easier to counter Manny with clean hard punches since Manny fights on the outside, and Floyd is able to use his rushing in momentum against him. The fight looks a lot like a Pac/Marquez fight except Floyd takes much less damage than Marquez and Hurts Manny to the point of stoppage.
     
  3. sweetray

    sweetray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac underestimated Bradley. He got late to the ring because he was
    watching a baskeball game before the fight. Pac would be better
    prepaired for Floyd. If he fight the way he did against DLH,
    no way Floyd would win.
     
  4. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd isn't Oscar. If Manny choose to fight smart at a slow tempo, it'll make Floyd's job that much easier.
     
  5. sweetray

    sweetray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd should get some balls and fight Pac.
     
  6. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    judging by these two quotes, I can tell you got too much emotion invovled to analyze this fight correctly
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I couldn't agree more. PBF is a stylistic nightmare for Pac and would beat any version of him.:deal Better more complete boxer who can fight at all ranges with a high ring IQ and ATG defense.:deal
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Still PBF, evermore, in perpetuity.
     
  9. roversbowers

    roversbowers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    well it was more lopsided for khan to beat garcia and look what happened. This is boxing kid :bbb
     
  10. randomwalk

    randomwalk Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think Manny is that vulnerable to the left hook (upstairs) off his jab because he almost always throws his straight left immediately after the jab. Bradley kept trying to counter with it and landed maybe one while taking a straight left for his trouble. Floyd could get in trouble if he throws with Manny. Manny could have success if he can get behind Floyd's left shoulder by fighting off center. That could limit the success of Floyd's straight right because he would need to throw it across his body. Zab Judah had some success doing this and there was a moment in the Ortiz fight when Victor ended up in this position (by accident) and clocked Floyd with a little jab.
     
  11. leftleftright

    leftleftright Active Member Full Member

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    Floyd will definitely use the check hook at times when Manny comes in. He uses that punch against all of his aggressive opponents. I expect he will be successful sometimes and may miss others. But there's little doubt that he will throw it. The check hook has a natural defense because you pivot away from the aggressor. I don't know how Manny can capitalize on it unless he fakes the rush and throws a left hook, but Floyd can just continue backing away if he recognizes it.

    Zab was countering Floyd's lead right with a counter uppercut. Which was effective for a lot of the fight (Zab has underrated ring intelligence imo). But it was a counter. Floyd fought most of that fight coming forward and Zab going backwards. Floyd was the aggressor and Zab was countering. Manny doesn't fight moving backwards. Unless Pac changes the way he fights, he will be the aggressor and Floyd will be countering.

    I expect the fight will look a lot like the Hatton fight with the constant come forward pressure because Pac doesn't fight any other way. He is either coming forward or standing behind his guard.

    If I were training Pac, I would have him learn to fight backwards and do that for part of the fight, throw the counter uppercut on the lead right (floyd forecasts it sometimes) and constantly mix up his offensive attack. But whatever Pac does, Floyd will make adjustments in real time. If Pac can stay one step ahead he can win but I have no confidence that he can fight with that level of complexity.
     
  12. floyd_g.o.a.t

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  13. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  14. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    hi pee bee do you still do those compubox compilations

    and who do you see being Floyd's victim later this year
     
  15. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's looking more and more likely that he won't fight later this year. There isn't any worthy opponents that he can fight not named, Pacquiao and Sergio.