Ricardo Lopez , do u consider him 1 of d top 10 greatest Mexicans of all times ?

Saldivar @ #4 ? D guy was KOd by 37 years old former bantamweight Jofre , got stopped by Sibata , floored by Jose Legra whom wasn't a puncher . He had good wins but they get offset enough by his 2 embarrassing losses and d KD . Still he deserves a higher ranking than Ricardo Lopez , because Saldivar beat good opponents . But does he deserve a higher ranking than d 14 i listed ? no . Olivares ahead of Sanchez is really bad . Suppose that Sanchez fought Arguello and Chavez and gotten stopped by both , which is quite disrespectful 2 him because d supposedly inferior LaPorte did well against Chavez and d really inferior Lockridge did well against Chavez , not 2 mention d guys who beat and sometimes stopped Arguello , such 2 losses would still have been more Xcusable than Olivares' losses 2 Herera*2 and Castillo*3 (i know it's only *1 on paper and due 2 cuts , but Castillo still floored Olivares 1-0 in each 1 of Castillo's "losing efforts")
Also both Castillo and Herera were older than Olivares which makes their wins over him count big and also makes their worse per4mances against Rudolfo Martinez & Bobby Chacon Xcusable .
1 can speculate that if Sanchez lived on 2 fight on he would have gotten stopped at n even younger age than Olivares' stoppage loss , but Olivares did not achieve nearly as much by d young age Sanchez achieved what he had .
How can Olivares b ranked above Sanchez ? and Saldivar over Morales and all d men i listed really , especially Ramirez whose opposition was at d very least 1 of d 5 toughest out of all d men listed .
U don't have Ramirez in your top 10 . He stopped Rosario , deserved 2 win against Arguello , did not deserve 2 lose in his 1st fight against Rosario .
U can erase at least 2 losses off his record and turn 1 in2 win .
Lost 2 Chavez on a technicality . i know Chavez handled him well up 2 that point , but maybe he was just about 2 get gassed and that was his way out as a "winner" ? Rosario handled Ramirez great in their rematch until it all flipped .
Azteca and Arizmendi ? 4 what ?

Look @ who Melchor Cob Castro fought and how it ended :
Rolando Pascua , Humberto Gonzalez*2 , Michael Carbajal .
Did not get stopped by either of these guys and stopped Pascua .
Actually Castro was d clear #2 of a strong division just behind Carbajal .
He was 5' as opposed 2 Lopez' 5'5" and a lightfly until d age of 35 all suggesting hat he was not a big 1 . Was Lopez smaller than he ? would Lopez do as well against Castro's opposition ? he would've been crushed by it .
What reason is there 2 rank a 5'5" 105 lber who fought no1 over a 5' 108lber who fought every1 and until wasn't stopped up 2d age of 36 ?
Castro was better both h2h and p4p .
After this can u still think Arizmendi/Azteca/RLopez / Saldivar were any better than Castro or Ramirez ? u don't even have Castro & Ramirez in your top 15 ??

And my list is joke ?

What did RLopez achieve in order 2 get n all times top 15 ranking of his country ? and Arizmendi/Azteca ? so wins count but losses don't ?

 

which were tested and proven against who ?
slightly even worse than RJJ . RJJ fought undersized corpses whom at least knew how 2 fight and were Xperienced . Even if still still undersized corpses whom he could enjoy speed & power advantages over .

Ricardo Lopez' opponents did not even have any Xperience and never amounted 2 anything past or prior .

I can look great shadowboxing 2 .
Maybe u start ranking me higher .
Give me n undersized dead man and i'll beat his s . not dead ? no fite ! :yep:deal

 

what i guessed , wins count and losses don't .
typical .
Think about it : Ramirez beat : Rosario , Arguello , Whitaker .

And Saldivar had d deepset resume ?
more than Chavez' ? more than Sanchez ? more than Ramirez ? more than Marquez ? not .
Also he was 7 years younger than Jofre when Jofre KOd him . So saldivar was shot 2 **** but Jofre was young & fresh ?

Your comments about Cob Castro compared 2 Ricardo Lopez?

I give him credit 4 being consistent at beating bums . It means something . But in d case of his country , that something is less than what every other name mentioned here so far should b given credit 4 . Saldivar was good , but not enough 2 make my top 16 Mexicans . Maybe top 20 . Being shot 2 **** @ age 29 means something i guess , and that thing is not good .

 

hard 4 me 2 reply on this

 

now i c he has a few paper titlists on his resume . supposing they weren't bums , it seems 2 me like Lopez caought them @ d right time of difficulty of making d weight .

I'm still absolutely convinced that he avoided Melchor Cob Castro & Michael Carbajal and would have fared much worse against their respective lists of opponents . Ricardo Lopez was n Xtremely protected fighters . His management managed 2 fool not only d Mexican "fans" but also d current "historians" . They knew that he should b kept away from any quality fighter . And quality is not measured in how a man looks when he beats bums or drained paper titlists .

 

Vicente Saldivar had 2 humiliating losses both @ age that still counts and while he was Xperienced . Can u make Xcuses 4 him ? Ramirez had 1 if at all .
Ramirez' "body punch KO" loss is questioned because no1 here knows about it if :
1) was he drained 2 a catchweight ?
2) suppose it was not a catchweight , maybe he couldn't effectively make d weight anymore , weight not listed .
3) was it a low blow ? or something else ?
4) maybe he had another problem / endured other cheating . U don't know .

aside from it being n obscure fight and questioned , it was Ramirez' 1st fight against quality opponent , not that this alone will make it not count .

Whitaker won based on what ?
coming backwards ?
did he land any more punches than Ramirez had in that fight ?
if he had , was it 2 (somehow) scored grazing jabs during d entire "fight" 2 Ramirez' 1 ?

maybe , but getting "shut out" is much better than getting knocked out .
I can bear ranking Juan Manuel Marquez , Erik Morales , Melchor Cob Castro , Jose Luis Lopez above Ramirez .
Maybe someday i will b able 2 bare ranking Chucho Castillo , Rafael Herera and Olivares ahead of him , if that "loss 2 a drunked bantamweight" will b legitimized .

But there is no way that Saldivar or Ricardo Lopez rank ahead of Ramirez .