This is for McVey, who says Johnson did not quit. A book on Johnson titled Papa Jack, says in fact he did. I hope this link works. Page 12 on the below link. It says Johnson abruptly quit in the fifth round vs. Klondike. Why lie about this, McVey? http://books.google.com/books?id=Ky...page&q=jack johnson vs. Klondike quit&f=false
A quit job is better than an outright duck(ala you ducking mcvey all these years, living la vida loca instead)
Without knowing the reason behind the abrupt quit job it's difficult to know whether it makes any odds - we already know Johnson was unreliable and prone to doing what he wanted when he wanted? For all we know he could've just got bored and decided he couldn't be bothered or he may have made an arrangement or he could've got hurt and decided he didn't want any more of this who knows?? But I guess it's one less 'genuine' or outright loss on Johnson's record and one more cloudy murky thing to muddy the waters on him
I will have details in my upcoming book, In the Ring With Jack Johnson, but can confirm that Johnson did not quit. He was tired, hurt, and grabbing a lot, and the bout was stopped, but not at his request, but rather because the police thought he had enough, and told the referee stop it, which the referee did (refs were compelled to follow police orders). Sort of like Holmes-Bobick in the amateurs - Holmes was getting nailed hard and pressured a great deal, so he grabbed a lot and got dq'd, but probably would have lasted the full 3 rounds had he not been dq'd for holding. Given what we now know about Johnson's ability to grab and survive, I think it likely that he would have lasted the full 6 rounds and lost a decision had the police not interfered.
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Thank God for a man who takes the trouble to do exhaustive research.:good Let us hope this will silence Mr Mendozy on this subject once and for all. I cannot wait until your book is finished ,I believe we will be seeing the definitive, bench mark tome on Mr John Arthur Johnson.
I read Papa Jack when it came out , it sits on a shelf, in my study, next to my desk. After reading Adam Apollack's response to your thread, will you? 1. Answer the question I asked you 5 posts ago? Was Johnson prime in the fights that you listed? 2.Will you now refrain from repeating the tired old canard ? That Johnson quit against Klondike? 3.Will you now retract? Calling me a liar on this subject? RAINMAN CRASHES AND BURNS YET AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This content is protected This content is protected I'LL GIVE YOU THIS, YOU ARE ENTERTAINING. N.B." Quantas never crashed", " these are definitly not my shorts ". God, I bet you're sorry you ever made this thread .:-( :rofl:yepatsch
This content is protected Haynes didn't look so scary, but judging by his performance against Maher, he could've been a scary opponent to fight against. If Jack Johnson did quit against Haynes, he paid for it by making Haynes quit in their rematch.
He would probably have been a prety intimidating opponent for a young fighter trying to establish himself at the local level, which is what Johnson was.