Im not going into all that, as there is more to that. Fact is Haye in 24 fights Haye won all of those titles and beat the WBA HW champ. Nobody had ever wobbled Valuev until Haye hit him
Thats not true. I forget the guys name but some journeyman had him on ***** street years before he fought Haye.
So once again if that performance was so weak what do you make of Byrd, Brock, Austin, Brewster, Ibragimov, Thompson twice, Rahman, Chagaev, Chambers, Peters and Mormeck during Wlads current reign. They all did worse than Haye. Also as said before. what has that got to do with Hayes first 24 fights that outshines everyone in your bible magazine The Rings top 10 P4P
Haye didnt get the success exposure he should have gotten because he was in the Cruiserweight division. Its a lost and forgotten division, and thought of as a weaker division. Think a little bit of Heavyweight envy from the american side came into play too.... This pretty much sums it up.... We expect men to back up their **** talk, and his performance was the opposite of that.... And no real man can respect or defend a whiny *****....
More to that like Wlad beating Chagaev with the WBA title (then "shared" with Valuev) not on the line before Haye beat Valuev?
So Holyfield the greatest CW ever beating LHWs in a brand new division where there wasnt even a decade of history, but Haye...
Klitschko fans dislike Haye because he's everything they know a heavyweight should be and the Klitschkos aren't. They're annoyed that Haye brings entertainment and excitement to the division whilst the prestige of the division has slumped under Klitschko rule. Think about this: The three fights which have had the most attention in years have been Haye/Valuev, Haye/Wlad and Haye/Chisora. If you want the biggest fight before that, you'd have to go back to Lewis. The simple fact is, people don't care about the Klitschkos and for that reason, their fans resent Haye. They want Wlad and Vitali to be talked about like people talk about Haye. They want their favourites to grab headlines but instead, the most you'll ever see from them is a tepid press conference where the brothers and their opponents laugh and joke, and kick a football around on a pitch. It's pathetic. Boxing fans all want a heavyweight who will grab the limelight. Haye does that and the Klitschkos don't. Their fans are jealous that Haye, whilst not the most talented, is the only attraction within the division right now.
Think it was Bergeron but I'm not 100% Tyson said he would destroy Lewis & eat his children. He said he would kill McBride. He didnt back his talk up, therefore, no real man can ever respect or defend him according to you :roll: Virtually every great boxer in the last 30 years has failed to back up pre-fight promises. Form whatever opinion you want to about Haye, just be consistent applying those same standards to everyone.
WBA politics are irrellevant. Haye beat a top 3 HW and won the title. The WBA politics are a seperate thread and by all means start one. Haye in 24 fights won all of those titles and beat the top guy at CW and beat another world champ at CW and beat a top 3 HW who was a world champ, not to forget a European champ and a fighter who became a CW champ. As noted in 24 fights V Klitschko had done nothing, Wlad Klitschko was losing to Purity, so whatever fault you look for in Haye, its difficult because look where those two you mention about were at the same time. Neither had beaten a top 3 fighter of any division let alone a champ in a division
The only person on that list worth mentioning is Byrd, who was a pumped up smw. Back to 'Bad Toe' Haye he was exposed as an amauterish and fundamentally flawed fighter against Wlad. Questions were also raised about his heart. How many times did he flop to the floor in the hope that the ref would dock a point from Wlad?
What titles did Byrd win at SMW to build up that opinion? Haye could be deemed a pumped up CW. Still anyway you note that Byrd is the only one worth talking about and he didnt do as well as Haye by any stretch. How has Hayes heart been questioned? I dont know, how many times did Haye flop to the floor? Many fighters use that trick, just look at Hopkins to learn that one. But Haye did fight fully to the end and still land big punches in the final round, more than those other list of names you chose to duck mentioning. Still you ducked the question about Hayes first 24 fights
How many fights does Wlad have a pet referee who allows him to clinch,grab & lean not just excessively but exclusively. Its illegal but Wlad gets away with it in Europe, check out his fight with Williamson (which took place in America) where the ref attempts to stop him doing his octopus routine & Wlad tried fighting back in close with hilarious results. It wasnt pretty but Haye's tactics against Wlad's illegal clinching were effective until the referee bottled it after being shouted at by Steward.
Maybe the fact that he finished his amateur career as a mw? It doesn't matter. Byrd was there to try and win and Haye was there to survive from round 2 onwards.