Is Wladimir Klitschko a top 10 HW of all time? - Please remember to vote

Yeah, true. Plus he changes his mind as soon as its not benefiting him. At first Haye was an ATG cruiser, so he deserved the shot against Wlad right away, then he is not even a B level fighter.

 

The definition of atg changes from poster to poster.

For me an atg is someone who's greatness transcends time.

The first great hw was john l sullivan, any hw who surpassed him is an atg imo.

Jack dempsey, for instance, lost in his prime to fireman flynn (the same year he destroyed fulton). He didn't beat a great hw until the fight with jack sharkey and by then he was already considered one of the greatest hw's in history.

 

Regarding jack johnson his career is entirely different to how it appears on the surface.

His loss to jeannette was by dq and was essentially a ko victory.

His loss to hart was based on the referee favouring aggression (kinda like scoring chavez-pea to chavez). His prime ended the night he won the fight of the century. The last 4 years of his reign were a joke but his legacy was already established by then.

 

My list currently:

1) Louis
2) Ali
3) Marciano
4) Lewis
5) Johnson
6) Dempsey
7) Holmes
8) Foreman
9) Tyson
10) Frazier
11) Tunney
12) Holyfield
13) Wlad
14) Charles
15) Vitali

Wlad needs to do this to get "Top 10":

1) Get the WBC belt.

This proves that he is "undisputed". It doesn't matter if he does it in his next fight or 10 fights from now, but he

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to do it.

If Wlad does this he will be "Top 5":

1) Win his next 9 fights.
- He will be 67-3 with 21 consecutive title defenses (26 total defenses including WBO).

 

Wlad is top 10 easily on his career achievements. He will be #5 longest reigning champ in 10 days overtaking Jack Johnson. He is #3 in consecutive title defenses. Marciano had only 6 title defenses and some people rate him #3 :nut

 

Rocky has a high ranking for clearing out his era, retiring undefeated and knocking out 4 hw's who belong in any top 50, 3 belong in any top 20.

 

Marciano could have gone on till he was 40 and a dozen defences if he had been fighting fat forthysomethings.

 

He had serious injury problems at the point of retiring.

Carrying on how you describe wouldn't have meant much anyway because there were the likes of valdes, patterson, machen, jackson and ingo waiting in line... Not to mention the force that was liston.

 

How can he get the WBC title now that the WBC says they're not doing unifications anymore?

 

That policy won't last.

 

:deal

I'm pretty sure every one of the top 20 has done at least one or the other. Wlad just doesn't have anything other than size advantages over the true greats.

 

He's an ATG but not Top 10.

 

Ofcourse he is, his resume shits all over guys like tyson.