Should Harry Wills be rated above Jack Dempsey?

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  1. Pachilles

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  2. Legend X

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    :lol:

    You need a shrink.
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    why? for me it's lower than ever
     
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  4. McGrain

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    I now think Gibbons is a better fighter than I thought he was.

    And I know Miske was a better fighter than I thought he was. Miske was an excellent fighter.
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Legend X,

    My big problem with Jack Dempsey is some people refer to him as one of the best ever, yet he never even fought the overwhelmingly two best heavyweights of his era! Because of this, Jack Dempsey is very unproven in my eyes. Had Dempsey fought and beat Harry Greb and Harry Wills during his title reign instead of the losers of title eliminaters, I would probably rate Jack in my top 3-5 of all time. Instead, he is outside the top 10.

    UNPROVEN
     
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  6. SuzieQ49

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    I'll take the point on Gibbons. Definitely one of Dempsey's best victories. Only problem is, I don't think he was in his prime when Dempsey beat him in 1923. Still world class, but it appears to me Gibbons of the late teens who was thrashing Harry Greb was a completely different fighter. Plus he looked like **** in the Dempsey fight.

    Dempsey never beat a prime Billy Miske. He fought to a 10 round draw with a prime Miske in 1918. When he rematched Billy Miske, he was a dying man by that point. He was no longer anywhere near his prime.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Moyle has Dempsey beating Miske the first time. I'm siding with him over Boxrec. Certainly the wirte-ups in the press Moyle chose to reproduce in his book on Billy side with Jack.
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

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    It was a no decision draw? Are you saying it should be changed to a ND W for Dempsey?


    Dempsey never fought Sam Langford in 1917, never fought Greb/ Wills from 1919-1924....a huge blunder in my opinion. Never took on any black fighters after getting his ribs broken by john lester johnson.
     
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  9. Legend X

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    That's fair enough. But I still think he's one of the best ever. Is he in your top 20 ?
     
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  10. SuzieQ49

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    Top 15 heavyweights of all time
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Looks that way. I'm not going to dig deeper than Moyle so I'm happy with that.

    He also dominated the six-rounder encounter they had later.

    Note that Miske had symptoms of Bright's before either one of these fights but that he was also in his prime...Miske could have been more than he was, perhaps.
     
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  12. Legend X

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    :good

    They were both tremendous fighters. Tommy Gibbons was a great fighter, imo. Maybe Billy Miske was too.
     
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  13. Legend X

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    Well then, I find it odd that almost every time you mention Dempsey it's to compare him unfavourably with other great fighters.
    You are certainly quite harsh towards Dempsey's opposition.
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    I think highly of Dempsey's skills/punching abilities on film. I am quite critical toward his resume because I don't think highly of it at all without Greb and Wills on there. For a man to be considered a true great, he has to have beaten at least 1 of the two best fighters of his era. He managed to fight neither. Dempsey was an elite talent, who didn't live up to his greatness.

    I think the big men Dempsey beat were complete jokes(outside of fulton, who was average).
     
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  15. Seamus

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    Dempsey was the first test tube baby of the emerging powers of 20th century media, a constructed star in an artificial galaxy.

    He was 80% media creation, 20% fighter. Still, he remains in my top-50 heavyweights, between Ruslan Chagaev and Mike Dokes. Not bad for an indigent from the wilds of Colorado.
     
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