For Americans - how much is the view on Ali political?

Yes, I would lean toward a conservative direction.

I'm a conservative, but with sanity.

 

I don't think so.
The "draft dodger" issue wasn't that big a deal at the time. I didn't resent him for it.

Ali didn't dodge the draft, he stood up and defied it, like a man.

Contrast that to the Bill Clinton types who lied and evaded it dishonestly.

Ali's PR problem wasn't a noble cause like opposition to the War or the Civil Rights struggle (which he had nothing to do with).

He was simply an arrogant ******* who was full of himself.

We've all known people like that. We don't like them and we try to stay away from them. I don't think it runs any deeper than that.

 

Maybe your right B E, but it is the norm for one race to be called "racists"
today, tarring everybody of that race, whilst the accuser gets the pass...
And if someone like myself who is not guilty of such wrong bile is a member of that race, doesn't use the "appelation " reverse racism", it reinforces this lying baloney...It was said oh the Nazis that "if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth "...So BE ,we are on the same page...
Peace brother...:hi:

 

5 Stars for you Burt,,,,,,,,

On Cassius Clay being called a 'draft dodger'. I would not call him that,
because to be a 'draft dodger', he would have left the country or went
underground, which in itself would have taken 'balls' and some personal courage.

I know a few who did just that, by fleeing to Canada, Iceland and even Chile.
They were 'real draft dodgers', and were rightfully proud of that moniker.

An 'anti-war protester' once said, Muhammad Ali is giving 'real draft dodgers' a bad name,
because he's playing 'make-believe' or should I say 'fake-believe'.

 

SP,you are on TARGET...I hate to get into issues on politics on a BOXING forum...It get's us nowhere's, but bitterness and dissension, but for that POSTER who without rhyme or reason, attacks a racial and political group , is surely hitting below the belt...
Ali was NO HERO, but a PAWN of the Nation Of Islam, spouting hatred and seperation of races akin to the KKK...This B.S. about him refusing the draft
that I and MILLIONS of others had to serve,and being called a courageous
hero is bunk..
In the second WW2, there was an actor named Lew Ayres, who played in
the great anti-war picture,"All quite on the Western Front "...Rather than serve in WW2 he became a conscientious objector and refused to be drafted...He then VOLUNTEERED to be an ambulance driver in Europe in the thick of the fight, risking his life to save his comrades...He served bravely and was cited for heroism...Ali was no hero, but a puppet of a hate group...
By refusing to serve, SOMEONE ELSE had to take his place...
If we choose and pick our wars as a nation we have ANARCHY...In a Democracy if we don't agree with the nation's policy's , why at election time, throw the bums out by the ballot box...Otherwise pandemonium
takes over a nation...Cheers...:hi:

 

I think if you had to compile a list of all time great human beings,Ali would have to be up there in the top one. Objectively speaking,of course.I simply can't find a single flaw within the man,ya know? The sport wasn't interesting or worth discussing prior or after his participation.


We,the people,shall continue to preserve the cult of Ali until the end of time.

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Deal with it!

 

Thanks for the complement Burt, keep on posting :good

 

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Pachilles,,,,,,

The machine gunner in 'Full Metal Jacket' only had 157 'certified kills' and 50 Water Buffalo.

That's nothing.

My neighbor had 237 'confirmed kills' with his 50MM Machine Gun.

Plus an additional 62 'Wild Pigs'.

He liked to call his 'Machine Gun', the 'Village Buster'.

 

This is quite possibly the most lucid, insightful and in my opinion accurate post I have ever read on ESB. Superb.

 

I totall agree, bravo Rock...

 

Rock0052,,,

Great thoughts,,,,,

But, on the face of it, Cassius Clay was one of the biggest sell-outs of all, as he signed
with the Louisville Sponsoring Group, '11 influential and successful white men'.

When he needed help after the 1960 Olympics, his first move, was to make a bee-line
directly to wealthy white businessman.

This helped Cassius Clay to have a very nice life at a young age.

Then proclaimed to all, to not 'sell out'.

Do as I say, not as I do.

What do we call people like that ? 'A false presentation of belief'

 

Thanks gentlemen, I hope it's not another 6 years before my next good post....but don't hold your breaths just in case !:

 

Right on the money, Senor. I can't think of another athlete that was ever able to play both sides of the fence quite like Ali did...