Now that De La Hoya has been out of boxing for a while...Where do Oscar fans rank him

atsch

 

He is both under and overrated, I think there are some key points regarding Oscar

Close fights

Whitaker - thought he lost, very close though
Quartey - thought he lost Quartey just outboxed him for the majority of most rounds despite Oscar's late rally
Trinidad - deserved it landing more punches round on round but Trinidad was far more aggressive and maybe landed better punches
Mosley 2 - see above
Sturm - got a gift
Mayweather - pretty clear loss shouldn't really be controversial

Style

Fast hands, but poor defensive reactions with average an often workrate. Would not work that hard for the majority of the round, this is part of the reason Whitaker/Quartey/Trinidad/Mosley fights were controversial as he gave the judges plenty of reason to vote the other way

Making big fights

He made many of the big fights at he has to be commended for doing so.

For a period between Whitaker and Quartey he was nicknamed 'chicken delahoya' as his competition was weak

Some of the timing of his fights were cynical (Arum's management?), not really facing the best at lightweight, pretty past it Chavez (good win), a Whitaker coming off 3 poor performances, a inactive Quartey returning from malaria, a Trinidad tight at the weight, Mosley coming off 3 poor performances in the rematch

There wasn't matches with Tyszu, Forrest or Winky Wright. Winky was the best belt holder when Oscar moved to 154. Forrest and Wright were likely members of the 'who needs them club'. He did later offer Winky Wright 6million on his comeback but was turned down. Tyszu was also losing to Phillips when Oscar was at 140 so it was never meant to be.

Media Sportlight

He is the golden boy and his achievements are thus thrust into the limelight, while the likes of Luis Manuel Rodriguez and Kalambay are forgotten. Personally I'd rank Kalambay above Oscar, although perhaps and obscure comparison

 

Oh, I wouldn´t bet on that more than Hearns knocking him out with a right hand.....

 

I watch every fight without volume sir, noise has literally zero effect on how I score a fight.

I scored the Whitaker fight 114-112 Oscar. Oscar was the effective aggressor, and Whitaker mostly tried to spoil and survive. Most of his punches had no snap on them at all, and most were getting parried by De La Hoya. They were honestly Tim Bradley-style slapping arm punches. De La Hoya meanwhile closed Whitaker's eye, had him in retreat mode the entire fight, and landed many more solid blows. It was close, but De La Hoya won.

As for Quartey, Quartey simply started too slowly. He lost each of the first 4 rounds. De La Hoya started quickly and outlanded him and struck with more authority in all of the opening rounds. Quartey outboxed a gunshy Oscar from rounds 5 through 9, but then Oscar almost decapitated Quartey and retook the initiative to take round 10. Quartey regrouped and won round 11 on my card, but De La Hoya got a 10-8 round to win 114-113. Some people also give Oscar round 11. The only clear Quartey rounds were 5-9. 1-4, 10, and 12 are all pretty clear Oscar rounds. He earned the win fair and square.

Trinidad was as clear a win as you'll find. Out of the first 10 rounds, Trinidad won round 4. Maybe. It was an easy 9-3 or 8-4 Oscar win, depending on how nice you want to be to Trinidad. He could barely even touch Oscar in the first 10 rounds. Even in 11 and 12, he only won those because Oscar wasn't doing anything, as opposed to Trinidad getting quality work done. He wasn't. Oscar straight up tooled him. Even Trinidad's father was telling him he needed a knockout to win going into the 12th.

Mosley II was a robbery, and you're an Oscar hater if you disagree. Oscar swept each of the first seven rounds in Trinidad-esque fashion. Mosley was totally befuddled by Oscar's movement, jab, lead right, and improved counterpunching off the ropes. He was getting tooled. However, luckily for him, he was on roids for that fight and didn't get tired/discouraged like he has in other fights he was losing where he was clean. Mosley won rounds 8-10 on my card, but Oscar stole the 11th. I also gave the 12th to Mosley. However, many people score rounds 10 and 12 for Oscar too. Those last 5 rounds were quite close, as Oscar was still countering Mosley's aggression very effectively. If Mosley was beating up Oscar with "harder shots" the whole fight, then why wasn't he able to finish off a more tired Oscar while he was still EPO fresh late? Simple- 1) he wasn't landing as much as Oscar haters would have you believe, and 2) De La Hoya was still countering him well enough to make him hesitate. 8-4 for Oscar is the fairest score for that fight, and the one I see most people scoring the fight as.

Oscar also offered Whitaker a rematch, but Whitaker decided he'd rather snort coke instead. As for Quartey, he had managerial problems that had caused the long layoffs both before and after the Oscar fight. It's why Quartey didn't get a unification fight with Oscar before 1999, and why his next appearance was at 154 against Vargas more than a year later. Neither of those are Oscar's fault. He ducked no one. He also offered Winky Wright a fight twice; both in 2003 before he fought Mosley the second time, and later on in 2005, but Wright declined both offers. Because he's an idiot. Not Oscar's fault at all.

The crowds didn't make Oscar a great fighter as you imply; he was a great fighter who also happened to be a fan favorite because of his style, his ability, his public image, and his mindset to prove he was the best. He fought everyone, and has just one legitimate loss in his prime: Mosley in 2000. Hate him if you want for being a greasy promoter or a druggie, but as a fighter in his prime, he was awesome. Just accept it. good

 

Great fighter, great resume, BUT LOSS to the BEST fighters he faced....... Tito, BHOP, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mosley x2..........I never rated his wins over Mayorga and Vargas because Tito had already bludgeoned them.....Quartey was a good win.....Lacked a good right hand but had a great skill set and was very popular with "teeny boppers", lol.

 

Tell'em Hawk! :good

 

A Ruben Olivares level great

 

Trinidad was very, very ineffective while being aggressive though. He landed 3-4 big punches during most of the rounds. Even the later rounds which he won when De La Hoya got on his bike, 10, 11 and 12, he wasn't landing regularly. Infact, if you watch the 12th round, you could argue that De La Hoya makes it a close round as he pops Trinidad while going backwards. Trinidad was very ineffective during these rounds. Only De La Hoya moving and not punching much made Trinidad look good.

 

De La Hoya never offered Whitaker a rematch. He said on camera after the fight that he would. However, any fighter would say that. De La Hoya's schedule was already written down for the rest of the year in 1997. And trust me, Bob Arum never wanted the fight. De La Hoya knew Whitaker was a nightmare style wise for him. But De La Hoya can't exactly be knocked as he went onto fight more dangerous and more powerful fighters than Whitaker. Fighters like Quartey and Trinidad.

I'm a massive De La Hoya fan. I have the opinion that he never wanted any part of Whitaker in a rematch. Why? Because Whitaker's style was too complicated for him. Yes, I thought De La Hoya won the fight, 7 rounds to 5. I think it's fair to say that De La Hoya was made to look like a fool at times against Whitaker. I must also confess, Whitaker looked like a fool at times as well, as he only popped out the jab and lacked variety and variation.

 

Ike , Sweet Pea, SSM (2) Sturm (OK) , Tito all beat him?

 

I can't believe people can actually say Oscar lost to Trinidad and then in the same breath say that he also lost to Mosley in the rematch :verysad The only fights that weren't close enough to go by the official verdict IMO is the Sturm and Trinidad fights, both bad robberies.

The Mosley fights were close, Shane cheated to get the Win. I'm a big Shane guy but it is what it is.

 

and Oscar was going to fight the winner of Pea/Quartey in 98, but that fight fell through and Pea went into rehab, Oscar took a Chavez fight and Quartey waited on the winner of that and fought Oscar.

 

Oscar fan from Socal has Oscar winning his close fights shocker :hey

Oscar certainly outlanded him but his punches were usually flicks and he often fought for only 20 seconds of a round. In allot of rounds he also didn't outland Tito by much

Some people split a round in 3 to see who won the majority of the round so if you only fight for 20seconds you won't win on their card

I think Oscar did better and if there was a winner it should be him but it's not quite the robbery it's made out to be, such a none event and a fight that could easily be labelled as 'no decision' as far as I'm concerned

 

Really?:yep

 

Watch closely at the Delahoya fights and his punches. In boxing it's called shoeshining. Bogus flurries and the crowd cheers at nothingness.

Oscar got away with that plenty. It only caught up with him and didn't work against Mayweather and Mosley.

No I'm not an Oscar hater. I think he was robbed against Trinidad and the Mosley fights were close. He's a great fighter like I said. Easily one of the best in his era.

Remember what he said after the Quartey fight though? Bigger and better fights for him, so no rematch? How come he couldn't "right" the controversial ship with a Quartey rematch like he did to Chavez? Whitaker wanted the rematch but Oscar already had his agenda in order and chose not to risk it all and get out-pointed again by an aging Sweet Pea.