Now that De La Hoya has been out of boxing for a while...Where do Oscar fans rank him

Are you saying Oscar could have beaten Robinson or Duran...Tell mee im miunderstanding you!?

 

He said anyone NOT named Robinson, Duran, Hearns, Leonard, Napoles. Which is fair.

The only way Oscar has a chance with Duran is if the fight takes place at 154, because Duran was so hit and miss up there. Anywhere below that, DLH loses to Duran.

 

Exactly!:good

 

Hawkfan is right: I said anyone NOT named Leonard, Duran, etc...

 

Quartey got going in the fight faster than Oscar did, pumping his jab and landing rights early. Who was too slow to start? Oscar threw some decent combos with good clean punches, but he waited in between shots.

Yeah, Ike was a little rusty after 16 months off but was in shape to fight. Oscar could have seen a lot more jabs and rights earlier on in the fight if Ike was up to his normal boxing speed.

Who knows, maybe a tired Quartey after throwing his usually volumes gets knocked out by Oscar in the 11th or 12th. Maybe Oscar doesn't make it through the 10th and gets stopped himself because he can't handle Quartey's normal volume of shots. This is why a rematch should have happened and it's what the fans were calling for considering how competitive and close the fight was.

By rounds, 9 to 3 for Quartey is not accurate. After watching the fight again, 8-4 is not unrealistic but not the right decision either. 7-5 honestly in favour of Quartey, I think is the right score. Give Oscar 1, 3, 4, 10 and 12. Quartey 2, 5-9, and the 11th. Oscar gets a 10-8 round for the 12th or a 10-7 round to make the fight a draw. By points, 114 to 113 UD for Quartey, but a 113 even draw I would have accepted, especially for a rematch.

The early rounds were hard to score but I took into consideration who was backing up and who was the more effective aggressor. Ike.

 

Crap scoring.

Ike won 1 round, I believe the 3rd up until the 6 or so. Oscar was coming over top of Quartey's jab nice and double jabbing his own and backing Quartey up, Ike took 3,6,7,8,9 and then Oscar closed the show in the late rounds and sealed the win in the 12th.

 

Ahead of Trinidad and Quartey. Right with Mosley.

He was robbed vs. Trinidad.

Can't see why anybody ever thought he was given a gift vs. Quartey.

I had Mosley winning by a point in their first fight. Had DeLaHoya by 2 in their rematch.

He was a little bit pre-prime vs. Whitaker and gave him way too much respect. Whitaker fought the best he could possibly fight, DeLaHoya could have done better. Close fight, could have went either way.

His fight with Mayweather could have went either way.

No shame in loss to Hopkins. Had a bad night at MW vs. Sturm, close fight but I thought Sturm deserved it. MW was a bit too much for him.

A prime DeLaHoya does much better vs. Pacquiao... maybe even beats him.

He clearly beat-

Jeff Mayweather KO4 (in just his 5th pro fight, Mayweather was 23-2-2), Troy Dorsey KO1, Jorge Paez KO2, John John Molina W12, Rafael Ruelas KO2, Genaro Hernandez KO6, Jesse James Leija KO2, Darryl Tyson KO2, Julio C. Chavez KO4 and KO8, Miguel A, Gonzalez W12, Hector Camacho W12, Wilfredo Rivera KO8, Oba Carr KO11, Derrell Coley KO7, Arturo Gatti KO5, Javier Castillejo W12, Fernando Vargas KO11, and Luis R. Campas KO7 among others.

 

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DLH booked out his schedule with the bum on the month club for a whole freakin year to avoid that rematch. Shameless duck, which rightfully earnt him the nickname "Chicken DLH".

David Kamau
Patrick Charpentier
Wilfredo Rivera
Hector Camacho
Julio Cesar Chavez rematch (wtf for?)

 

H2H DLH is clearly below the very best welterweights of all time imo, but he sits comfortably with the second tier as his career proved (held his own with Whitaker, Ike, Tito & Shane).

He'd likewise hold his own with the McGirts, Starlings, Palominos, Brattons & Dykes of the welterweight world - which is really saying something, because he was actually at his best before he even got to welterweight.

 

And what did Pea do? Booked a Quartey bout but ended up in rehab instead. You act like Rivera is a bum atsch

 

Yeah, Whitaker just went deeper into his coke binge. Was your comment somehow meant to rationalise DLH's blatant duck?

Wasn't a bum, but he was part of Oscar's no-threat holiday package after the Whitaker fight where he intended to sell an image of dominance.

 

Oscar was going to fight the winner of Quartey/Whitaker. That fell a part, Whitaker went into rehab and Oscar took a money rematch with Chavez with Quartey signed pretty much next.

Blame Whitaker for being unprofessional, not Oscar.

 

He didn't lose all of his biggest fights at all.

Officially, he beat Whitaker, Vargas, Chavez, Quartey. These were clearly some of his biggest fights.

Unofficially, I didn't think he deserved the wins over Quartey and Whitaker, but did think he deserved the decision in the Mosley rematch and in his biggest fight of all, Trinidad.

So whichever way you cut it, going by the official cards or by my own scores, he did not lose all of his biggest fights.


In terms of a ranking, I consider Oscar a top 100 (maybe a top 80) fighter of all-time. Around the same level as Barrera, Morales, and Lennox Lewis, above Trinidad, Mosley and Marquez, but below Pacquiao, Jones Jr and Mayweather.

 

Even if Whitaker had been professional and stayed clean and somehow beat Quartey, DLH was still banking on Whitaker getting older and slower before thinking of a rematch. There's no doubt he wanted nothing to do with the puzzle presented in their first fight.

Are you going to continue with this game? If so, please do so citing the justification for the Camacho, Kamau and Charpentier fights. :good

 

Camacho was to get ready for a Whitaker rematch. The Kamau and Charpentier fights were crap but that's because Trinidad was ****ing about jumping weights and fighting bums, and Lopez drank himself out of boxing so Oscar was cleaning the division out himself.

Fighting Camacho, Whitaker, Rivera, Chavez, Quartey, Carr, Trinidad, and roided Mosley in a 3 year period and you want to nitpick and cry about his first year of fights in the division.....

Get a grip ffs