Now that De La Hoya has been out of boxing for a while...Where do Oscar fans rank him

People see fights different. I for one think Whitaker has a much stronger case for beating Oscar than Quartey does just based on the competitiveness of rounds.

Quartey/Oscar fight was clear in what rounds eachother won and Quartey lost out down the stretch. Fairly easy to differentiate the two bouts due to competitiveness

 

What was your scorecard of the Quartey fight? I'm curious. Most people score it 7-5 Quartey (114-113 Ike) or 6-6 Oscar (114-113 Oscar.) It was hardly a clinic like you make it out to be. It was a close fight.

And just out of curiosity, what do you think of Mayweather's resume and the lack of names on it north of 135? It's relevant because you seem to place the blame solely on Oscar/Arum for a variety of fights not happening and claim it's harmed his resume. Surely, you have to feel the same way about Mayweather, assuming you're really as unbiased as you claim you are.

 

Hawkfan. The first 5 rounds of De La Hoya-Quartey was nip' tuck. No way was Oscar throwing more and landing more than Quartey. I think both were feeling each other out. They were both jabbing, throwing the odd power punch and combination towards each other.

As I said. 3-2 either way.

 

They were close rounds, but I think Quartey was slower out the gate. Of the first 5, the clearest round was 5 (for Quartey.) He got into a groove there and started to outbox Oscar. The other 4 were closer than 5 was for Quartey, granted, but I think the only round of the first 4 you could argue was Quartey's was round 3; I think he might have slightly wobbled Oscar in that one. I'm not saying De La Hoya dominated Quartey in the first 4 or anything, because he didn't. I'm saying he edged them mainly because Quartey was slower and rustier starting out. 3-2 Oscar or 4-1 Oscar in the first 5 are both fair, but I can't find 3 rounds to score for Quartey in the first 5. He clearly won round 5, and round 3 is arguable. Otherwise, I don't see it.

 

Yeah, some people have Oscar tinted glasses on in this thread.

However, some people also have Whitaker tinted glasses on as well. A couple of previous posters have went on about him being past his prime weight against De La Hoya, past his prime in general, and making it out as if he never trained for the fight and instead went to cocaine parties every night.

Whitaker put in some serious work for that fight. He sparred with the likes of Vargas, Judah and Forrest. If you look at Whitaker during the fight, his reflexes and handspeed were as good as they could possibly be for a fighter his age. I'd even go as far to say, he looked as good as he did for 3-4 years. Certainly on par with the Chavez and McGirt II fights. His speed, defense and reflexes were anything but a shot and coked out performer. In his previous fight before De La Hoya, against Hurtado, Whitaker was dropped twice and behind of points before he got the stoppage. Trust me, he was as physically as good as he could possibly be for De La Hoya.

You need to look at Whitaker's legs against Trinidad. Thats what you call a shot fighter, inactive, and coked out his mind. It was the De La Hoya defeat that sent him into a spiral of serious coke addiction and into rehab.

 

Robbi, I agree with you that Whitaker turned back the clock somewhat but you've got to be kidding me that he looked as good as he did against Chavez.

Whitaker's feet were immeasurably quicker against CHavez and his punching ability much more fluid and quick.

I think claiming Whitaker of 97 vs. 93 are on parity is way off. Way, way off...

 

This post cracked me up btw. Good work.

 

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And Whitaker went into rehab, which was pointed out numerous times in the thread.

 

He looked better against Chavez because he varied his game more. He threw power punches and dominated Chavez, two things he never did against De La Hoya. So in general, yes he looked better in that regard. However, I don't believe his handspeed was any better than it was against De La Hoya. Perhaps, he was a little bit quicker on his feet, yes.

He would've looked even better against De La Hoya if he varied his game. I'd liked to have seen him throw 2-3-4 punch combinations and generally be a bit more authoritive. At lets say, 4 or 5 times during a round. The type of power punches he threw against the likes of Chavez and McGirt in the rematch were extremely and alarmingly scarce against De La Hoya, to put it mildly.

 

Nice post, shame Whitaker broke down like that after the fight. Would have liked to have seen the Quartey bout and the Oscar rematch of course (I'd have chosen Whitaker over Ike)

 

7-5 or 6-5-1 for Delahoya against Quartey.

People were just so blinded by Oscar hate back then everyone was trying to score fights against him. I talked to a guy who hated Oscar so much they had Molina beating him atsch

 

How do you know he hated De La Hoya? Maybe he was giving his honest opinion. Because his opinion is different from the scoring of a fight that doesn't favor a fighter you admire, doesn't mean to say he hates him.

 

Because years later he told me via PM he was just butthurt over the Trinidad fight

 

Oscar beat Quartey on my scorecard, and clearly beat Mosley in their rematch.

Beyond that, I agree with the point you are trying to make. His lack of rematches and the fact that he was indeed pressed so hard by some fighters lesser than him puts him in a bit of a clearer perspective.

Still, an ATG and possibly a top 5 H2H 140 lber. Incredible jab, one of the hardest left hooks the lower weights ever witnessed, and top notch skills. Add his physical monster status, and he's formidable for anybody under 154 that isn't an absolute upper eschelon legend.