Heavyweight Top 20

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  1. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Wladimir
    2. Vitali
    3. Povetkin
    4. Haye
    5. Adamek
    6. Pulev
    7. Arreola
    8. Thompson
    9. Helenius
    10. Fury
    11. Solis
    12. Chisora
    13. Ustinov
    14. Chagaev
    15. Boystov
    16. Cunningham
    17. Dimitrenko
    18. Lawrence
    19. Mitchell
    20. Price

    The goal is a ranking based on merit, not a h2h ranking. Eddie Chambers is missing because he's ranked in crusierweight now. What changes would you make?
     
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  2. MVC

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    Swap Haye and Povetkin and Ill buy. List seems good though.
     
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  3. FelixTrinidad

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    Great List.

    I agree.

    This list make me sad though. I think a Prime Ruddock could have taken 17 of the top 20.
     
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  4. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Swap Haye with the guy who was going to fight on his last undercard against a Dinosaur and it's a fair enough list, Chisora should also be higher than Thompson. Adamek should be outside of the top 8, perhaps 10. Chagaev too. A win over Valuev and a scraped decision against John Ruiz 10 years ago don't make you a top 10 heavyweight today.
     
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  5. FrochFan

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    Thompson should be no where near that list. Here is my ranking based on H2H/Accomplishments.

    1. Wladimir
    2. Vitali
    3. Haye
    4. Povetkin
    5. Pulev
    6. Helenius
    7. Fury
    8. Mitchell
    9. Price
    10. Arreola
    11. Solis
    12. Chisora
    13. Ustinov
    14. Chagaev
    15. Boystov
    16. Cunningham
    17. Dimitrenko
    18. Lawrence
    19. Thompson
    20. Adamek
     
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  6. Manning

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    Arreola, Fury, Chisora, Price and Lawrence are all too high imo.
     
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  7. Blake Rayne

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    Yeah but thats ok cause you could use him to just about clean out any era
     
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  8. ludwig

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    h2h I like Haye over Povetkin but there's no way Haye should be ahead of Povetkin in a merit-based ranking that factors quality of wins. Povetkin's CV includes Byrd, Chambers, Huck, Chagaev, and Boswell....it destroys Haye's CV.
     
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  9. ludwig

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    As far as Thompson goes, back in June Wladimir was saying TT would beat any heavyweight not named Klitschko. Exaggeration or not, I think Thompson is dangerous to any non-K2 and deserves to be in the Top 10.
     
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  10. ludwig

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    I agree these names are commonly over-rated. I tried to avoid that, but all 5 made it into my Top 20..here's some reasoning behind it.

    Arreola--Maybe Thompson should be ahead of CA, but I can't justify ranking Helenius and Fury (not to mention Chisora/Solis) ahead. Arreola has done so much more in his career then these 2 and with his experience there's a good chance he'd KO both of them if he fought them. It might be that CA is a past-prime fighter living off past laurels but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

    Fury--True I'd favor alot of fighters h2h over Fury but his resume is slowly improving and he's getting in better shape. He's a big wild card in the division.

    Chisora--Can't disrespect the dude by ranking inferior fighters ahead of him. He beat Helenius and gave Vitali a good fight. He's dangerous to everyone in the division.

    Price--arguably too green to be in a Top 20 list but he's looked so good in his last few fights that the hype propeled him ahead of other Top 20 candidates like Stiverne, Grant, Pianeta, Monsour, and Wach.

    Lawrence--while he's done little in the last year to boost his CV, he put together a good streak against some B class fighters not too far back. I don't think it's over-rating him to put him in at #18.
     
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  11. luke

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    did he really beat huck though, really?
     
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  12. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Ludwig can you tell me why you feel Arreola has done so much more than Hellennius?

    Aside from sheer number of below-gatekeeper type opponents he has beaten?

    I think a KO of Sam Peter is probably better than any single win on Arreolas resume
     
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  13. luke

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    1. Wladimir
    2. Vitali
    3. Haye
    4. Povetkin
    5. Adamek
    6. Pulev
    7. Fury
    8. Chisora
    9. Helenius
    10. Arreola
    11. Solis
    12. Thmpson
    13. Ustinov
    14. Chagaev
    15. Boystov
    16. Cunningham
    17. Dimitrenko
    18. Lawrence
    19. Mitchell
    20. Price
     
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  14. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok, the Huck fight was close. But the same argument could be made about Haye's best win at heavy (Valuev). Povetkin beat Chagaev, who had beaten Valuev in more impressively than Haye.
     
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  15. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Boswell? Boswell?

    I agree Chambers alone is a better win than possibly anything on Haye's HW CV

    I wouldn't throw in names like Huck and Chagaev as better wins than even Chisora, certianly not Huck, who he didn't beat in my eyes, who has 0 wins at heavyweight and is essentially a limited brawler who took him life and death.

    Boswell isn't worth mentioning imo
     
    Vidic, Jul 31, 2012
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