Are people underestimating Cain in the rematch with JDS?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Kittikasem, Jul 27, 2012.


  1. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    I've been seeing a lot of people recently writing Velasquez off for his rematch with Junior.

    Don't get me wrong, I am a Dos Santos fan, he's one of my favourite fighters and I will be supporting him big-time again vs Cain.

    But I am anticipating a very tough fight, with a legit chance of a loss.

    I still think Cigano will win, but I don't see it being easy and I would not be shocked if Velasquez won this one and set up the trilogy decider.


    Cain looked amazing last time out vs Bigfoot. Even as a Cigano fan, I could see Velasquez was overweight, flabby, rusty and tentative in the first fight. Vs Bigfoot, he looked trim, focused and vicious, just like his old self. I think when Cain weighs closer to 240 he is in better shape than when he weighs closer to 250.

    He only kind of half-heartedly went for 1 takedown in the first fight, and when asked what he'd do differently this time he said "take the fight to him more". I take that to mean more sustained takedown attacks, more aggressive wrestling, top control and GnP, all the things Cain is great at.

    Junior has great TDD, but anyone can be taken down. Cain is heavier than Junior and is a great wrestler, you'd have to think he'll get the TD at one point. And then if he unloads the kind of GnP that he did against Bigfoot? It could be very difficult for JDS.

    Can you imagine how tiring it would be fighting off takedowns from a 245lbs wrestler with great cardio, or fighting to get back to your feet while defending against vicious GnP?


    I think Junior will win, but too many people are accepting this as a given IMO. Cain will be fitter, sharper, angrier and more determined this time, and he will be very wary about getting caught with a big shot like last time.

    It's going to be a war, not another walkover. :bbb
     
  2. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    I thought Dos Santos would TKO him in the first, because Cain had showed a tendancy to get clipped and if you get clipped by JDS your in bother unless you have a good chin, Cain's has been shown to be at least breakable.

    I have JDS KO1 or 2 again.
     
  3. KERRIGAN

    KERRIGAN Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cain's got Glass, so NO.
     
  4. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Good morning Popkins how are you this morning :D

    Agree totally btw , yes Velasquez is certainly certainly live in this fight , he always has been , his skill set coupled with his cardio is a true test for any HW in the world , a test most HW's would fail

    dos Santos however does have Cain's number , why ?? tall rangy striker who holds KO power pushing off line , or stepping out of harms way , with superb TDD , its gonna be really difficult for Velasquez to get into grappling range with a fighter like dos Santos , he's athletic , moves well and throws moving away as well as moving in with , with what it seems the same power , he really is a great fighter , he utilises his strengths better than most fighters in world MMA he's a class act

    I will add , if Velasquez secures that one TD , it seems as though thats all he ever needs to begin the snowball effect of breaking a fighter down , he has that typical wrestling top game (derived from wrestling evolved for MMA) where he rarely gets involved in a JJ exchange and just sits on top throwing shots , as soon as an opponent moves in for butterfly or rolls out for guard , he's back on top , controls and gets comfortable in position then begins to throw his shots again , and seemingly his opponents can do little about it

    Cant wait for this one :good
     
  5. Delroc

    Delroc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    actually i get the feeling people have forgotten about the first fight. Most places I've seen have people picking Cain by TKO or UD.

    Cigano is gonna dust him off just like last time, this time probably in the 2nd.
     
  6. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No

    He can't handle Dos Santos punching power. And Dos Santos is just so hard to get down. Junior is very quick on his feet and has great Take down defense.
     
  7. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You'd be idiotic to underestimate Cain in any fight against anyone.
     
  8. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    It's bull**** that JDS lands one punch on an injured Cain, and all of a sudden Cain is apparently an ordinary fighter. :-(

    :hat
     
  9. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, Junior did knock him the **** out in one minute.

    Carwin took a horrific beating from Junior and went the distance.Carwin took shots like that Knocked down Cain,over and over, and over, and over again all night long. Nelson took a vicious beating too and went the distance.

    Cain was out, and getting his face smashed in, in less than one minute. Cain can't take his power. Kongo's average ass had him ready to go.
     
  10. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Cain was fully conscious when he was knocked down by the first significant shot in the fight. It wasn't a matter of getting his lights turned out, it was a matter of getting his balance scrambled before his body had adjusted to being in a fight.

    :hat
     
  11. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course he was conscious from the KD punch. It was the follow up barrage on the ground when Cain couldnt defend himself any more. He was completely done. Junior could of beat him to death.
     
  12. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Cain is always a threat.

    However, they have already fought and you can evaluate everything on that.

    He got stopped in less than a round.

    And Dos Santos certainly did not hurt himself by knocking out Mir.
     
  13. SlicedAlone

    SlicedAlone New Member Full Member

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    I'll take Cain cuz no one else is and he's a Salinero.
     
  14. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    So you do take excuse from fighter ? :huh
     
  15. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    :lol:

    I don't know why the hell I said that. :lol:

    Not that it would have made a difference anyway, given the circumstances of the fight. And JDS complained in the cage about being injured too.

    But I reckon Cain is certainly a live underdog in the rematch. I think he'll lose, though it wouldn't be shocking if he won impressively. But if he loses by knockout, I don't expect to see him get laid out by one punch in one minute again. :good

    :hat