A prime Joe Frazier vs A prime Marciano.Does Frazier even have a chance

Fraizer most likely wins by decision, but he has a chance at knocking Marciano out.

 

Frazier was a big Marciano fan and he said the only 2 fighters that could beat him was Louis and Marciano, Frazier had a big heart and a lot of stamina and his hook to the body and head were some of the best. I think a matter styles and Marciano's 2 hands would make a difference and IMO Marciano hit harder with the right,and his left was as good as Frazier's power wise. Stamina Marciano has the edge but both men were in great shape. Difference would be Frazier primed around the FOTC and before but went downhill from there while Marciano primed before Walcott and was still strong for Moore.

Marciano had a total of 49 fights and had 43 KO's Frazier was 32-4-1, I think Frazier's style and the face first approach was indicative of a shorter career...Marciano had a more subtle defense and countered in an unorthodox manner while Frazier was more predictable.....Great fight prime for prime both man had heart power stamina and both at around 5"11...its a war until a Suzie -Q buckles Smoking Joe's legs and the right hand power starts taking its toll but its a bloody, lumped up finish and a war but Marciano's right hand gets to Smoking Joe for the stop

 

Better 2 hand fighter, better defense, more awkward, better workrate, late power, more stamina. I'm not playing along with the troll thread but just saying.

 

I dont quite follow your logic here.

So if Frazier hadnt gotten up so many times that would have made him more durable? If Foreman had knocked him down and he stayed down then he has less KDs against him.

You made a good point about the level of competition. Not Rocky`s fault but he never faced anyone even close to a prime George Foreman. We dont know if Marciano would have even lasted as long as Joe did or if he wouldve done better.

My view is that Frazier was just as strong, quicker and sharper, more accurate on the inside. I think he cuts Rocky to ribbons on the inside. Marciano may have hit a shade harder.

Frazier TKO12th

Great fight though.

 

No, Frazier was dropped 3 times prior to the Foreman fight. Twice against Bonavena, and once in his second fight against a nobody. That's once more than Rocky was down in 49 fights. Besides knockdowns, he was visibly shaken up and stunned far more times on film. Of course, you could argue he was facing bigger fighters and punchers. Pretty marginal at best, though.

 

I say the 206 pound Frazier of '69 thru '71 eats Marciano's 187 pound ass alive in a gruelling 15 rounder....... Somebody has gotta go.... It's Marciano...... Frazier wins........

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Like Wesley Snipes said in "Passenger 57," Always bet on the black....... I agree here...... Too bad Snipes is now in the cooler doin' time for tax fraud......

 

I agree with the poster who made the note that Rocky had more stamina and hadn't been knocked down as much but IMO Frazier takes this one, Rocky opponents in those days had no way near the heavier guys Frazier was up against.

 

Ofcourse they are different. What has me disagreeing with the superiority of rocky's defence got to do with boxing being black and white?

 

The main problem I see for Marciano is Smokin Joe's perpetual motion although as far as Frazier's actual pressure and punching I have always thought that Frazier's 'Henry Armstrong style' bobbing and constant arm motions could be very deceptive it kinda gave you the impression he was full on punching constantly on the way in when really he wasn't actually throwing actual punchers - he didN't really throw constant punchers - it was really one at a time - often (it strikes me) quite predictably and really had to "work up to his shots" with generally every 3rd shot being the full momentum shot. More often that not in between each shot he had to sacrifice himself to anything coming back at him - it's really a fallacy that Marciano walked into and through thousands of shots - Marciano rarely ever got caught flush - it was Frazier who actually did walk into thousands of shots - I don't even know whether Frazier even saw half the shots that he took while bobbing his head incessantly in the other guys chest - and for all his toughness and gutsiness he could be hurt fairly often even guys like Ron Stander got his attention and Jerry Quarry hurt him quite bad with what looked a fairly innocuous shot and Chuvalo hurt him and Bonavena put him down a couple I times and had him on the verge of a three knockdown rule stoppage - and if you watch fights like the Chuvalo one and the Bonavena one Frazier wasn't throwing more than them either - in fact they were generally out-throwing him and certainly with the Chuvalo fight Frazier was actually opting to spend the majority of the fight backing up - which was to his credit but it makes the point that it wasn't always the case of Frazier never backing up - he could be backed up as often as he did the backing up and certainly in the Chuvalo/Bonavena/Quarry fights I couldn't see any really big advantage (if any) that Frazier had in power either - at least with his general punching - it was more that he would just load up more than the other guy on every 3rd shot and edge the exchange on that 3rd shot - in effect he would try to make his meanest shot count that little bit more - Marciano took far far less punches - he was actually very awkward to nail at all and he had much more poise incoming always what was wary of what was coming back and he was heavier handed in that he didn't build up to his shot they came in hard all the time with less dredging up of effort and Marciano I think had better stamina - and a better chin - only really seen Marciano's legs go properly on a couple of occasions at the most - and Marciano took his time more and took a much more measured approach than Frazier in reality - for me is a class above Frazier and refuse to lose - as Charlie Goldman said no one survives coming to Marciano - whereas many lesser fighters had a fair amount of their own success coming to Frazier

 

I would pick Rocky Marciano to win. I think he hit a bit harder and took a punch a little bit better.

It would be a tough and classic fight.

 

Frazier would win.

 

Frazier faced much bigger and harder punchers than Marciano.

 

Both had power. Joe had the better hook but Rocky had the better right. Rocky had better overall two-fisted power and versatility, for Joe's right was not used all that much. Both were wonderfully conditioned. Both were very tough and could take a beating. Marciano probably had the slightly better chin, but then he didn't get hit by the likes of a Foreman. However, I've seen Frazier stunned by several others as well. But then Joe would be 206 to Rocky's 190, so it probably even's out. Given that Joe was actually heavier, and his aforementioned toughness and condition, I don't see Rocky starching him quick. So that means it is a war of attrition primarily fought on the inside, and it would be bombs away throughout until one broke the other. No one ever broke Rocky, but only a massive dude much bigger than Rocky broke Frazier. Ali is of little relevance because he presented a totally different style matchup. Joe had the better up and down nonstop head movement, but Rocky had great if not underrated dipping ability as well, and had an uncanny ability to dip and quickly counter with vicious blows a la Duran. They both got hit, but also avoided plenty of effective blows too. Rocky only had trouble with slick speedsters who gave him some angles, but Frazier wasn't that kind. They would be right in each others faces. Both loved the inside. Both had underrated speed, though I think Frazier was faster and threw his punches in a more compact fashion. However, Marciano was probably even more nonstop with hard blows. Marciano was more likely to cut, but Frazier was more likely to swell. Very even matchup that I would pay big $ to see if I could. I would not bet any money on this one. We'll never know. It can only be seen Valhalla, if it exists.

 

Great post Appollack

 

He fought ONE bigger and harder puncher than Marciano in Foreman. He got knocked out.