Who had the better Career Resume...Liston or Johnson

I don't know. I don't understand where you get this stuff from.
If Sam Langford and Jack Johnson and Gunboat Smith etc. were quite a bit below 'tough guys off the bread line' who came later .... then it's a wonder a boxing match could even draw a crowd in those days.
I mean, these professional boxers couldn't even fight as well as the bums and drunks and under-employed labourers who were fighting in the gutter for free, right ?

 

They didn't have internet pornography. They would bet on termites.

Seriously, Joe Louis is my favorite heavy so I don't think that poorly of the 1930's.

 

How poorly do you think of the 1910s ?

 

Seamus doesn't really rate any HW pre 1950's barring Louis that highly. He has the right to do so as it is a fair position to hold. I would argue he's a little too tough for the era, personally.

 

**** no. 10.3 ain't slow as it is. Had he been training full time into his later 20's (rather than retiring out of college), had modern training regimens, and competed on modern tracks, he would be under 10. No doubt.

 

Jesse Owens ran on a dirt track. He'd be a top sprinter in any era.

With boxers, there's no meaurables like in sprinting. It's not that kind of sport. It's man versus man, pitting their wits against one another. They don't know what they will have to do from moment to moment to win the fightuntil it happens . It's like chess, or war. You make the right moves at the right time you win the fight.
No one can compare boxers from one era to another in any certain way, as far as head-to-head goes.
Sprinting is always the same - run as fast as possible down the track. No ifs or buts, the fastest man wins.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

 

Do we even need to?

 

It's based around my protestation that a 185 pound heavyweight beating a 156 pound opponent is not an achievement upon which to hang so much of your hat.

And if so, where are we going to place Young Peter Jackson, who turned the same trick two months later via KO?

 

I didn't miss anything.
I was just adding some thoughts of mine to the thread. :good

I think Jack Johnson was plenty big enough anyway, for what it's worth.
I don't even buy into this "modern training methods and diet" stuff.
It's overrated. Yes, some HWs use drugs, and they lift weights more now, and are bigger on average. But I don't think a Johnson, a Dempsey, a Louis or an Ali would be at much of a disadvantage.

 

Great fighter. :good