The greatest fighters for whom no footage exsists

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Who are they, how great were they and how do you know they are great?
     
  2. janitor

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    It would be ridiculous to atempt to make a judgment because we have no footage.

    Frankly I question whether any of them even existed.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    The ghost that is Holman Williams.
     
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  4. Sonny's jab

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    Harry Greb is an obvious choice.

    We know which fighters were great because they were the ones who took on all-comers, local champions and challengers with reputations, and beat them, and fought the big time epic fights. We can also assume the men who beat known fighters who were MUCH BIGGER than themselves were great too.

    Guys like Kid Lavigne and Joe Walcott were great.

    Exactly how they looked compared to filmed fighters is impossible to gauge correctly. Forming a firm opinion of their chances against later (filmed) champions is impossible. In my opinion.
    This is most severe in the cases of fighters who dont exist on film AND WHOSE OPPONENTS dont exist on film.

    But we cant deny greatness with the weight of evidence to support certain fighters.
     
  5. Sonny's jab

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    I disagree.
    Records alone are enough to determine greatness.
     
  6. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fight footage or any footage?
    Jack Britton
    George Dixon
    Joe Walcott
    Kid Lavigne
    Tiger Flowers
    Johnny Dundee
    Abe Attell
    Young Griffo
    Panama Al Brown
    Pete (Kid) Herman
    Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
    Jack McAuliffe
    Jack Blackburn
     
  7. Holmes' Jab

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    Nonpareil Dempsey and Greb.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

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    There is footage of Panama Al Brown.
     
  9. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My bad, it was given as simply 'Al Brown' without the Panama prefix, so I didn't notice it.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Good list ,maybe Les Darcy could be included,its strange that the Herman Wilde fight wasnt filmed.
     
  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's some footage of Darcy's fights with Eddie McGoorty, Dave Smith and Jimmy Clabby available.

    Also, I think a bit of Johnny Dundee's fight with Eugene Criqui is out there.

    Some others for which there is no footage (that I know of) :

    Bob Montgomery
    Freddie Miller
    Pedro Montanez
    Wes Ramey
    Frankie Genaro
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Thanks for the info:good
     
  13. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe there is footage of Darcy/George Chip as well.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Holman Williams
    Eddie Booker
    Cocoa Kid???
    Jack Chase
    Lloyd Marshall


    Anyone more recent than these guys?
     
  15. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is a little on Marshall...the '46 bout with Charles, and some footage against Freddie Mills.
    I'd love to see Holman Williams (especially the Satterfield fight)