Vote in Boxing.com's light-heavyweight poll: Results

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  1. lufcrazy

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    :lol:

    well I had Tunney number 3 fopr a while but upon further research the last fight with them is essentially a hw fight meaning as lhw's the series is realistically pretty much 1-1-2 for both men. I consider the first one to be more representative of their primes plus greb has a big advantage in resume.
     
  2. McGrain

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    #4 Gene Tunney

    Tunney, maybe I wouldn't think it's OK to have him at #1. I dont' believe he proved his superiority to Greb at LHW, I think he had to get up to HW to do that as Greb aged, and I think his resume is overall that touch worse. So it's the first time I can't see a reason for ranking a guy higher than one above him. But Tunney was very obviously very great. Top 6 lock, I think.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    top 4 are the same, how about number 5? will our partnership continue or will you betray me like a back stabbing dog?
     
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    #5 Billy Conn

    World champ for only a handful of defences comprised of former champion Bettina (uploaded by yours truly much loves x x x ) and two duels with Lesnevich, Conn got his best work done in his run to the title (post-Louis smackdown of Zale aside). Kreiger, Apostolini, Yarozs and Corbett all fell. He beat every man he ever faced at the weight.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Sorry dude we're off.
     
  6. Legend X

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    They were middleweights really.
     
  7. McGrain

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    I would say they were super-middles before that division existed, a lot like Billy himself. But hey ho, so was my #3.
     
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    #6 Michael Spinks

    Literally unbeaten at the weight (rather than "beating every man he ever faced", like Conn) Michael's best also include the type of quality that can match the Pittsburgh man, Muhammad, Johnson, Lopez representitive of the quill. Spinks missed out on a couple of guys that could have propelled him into the top 4 had he beaten them IMO, and could very easily be above Conn in my top 5 - pretty much interchangeable these two, they also make for an interesting pound-for-pound argument.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    they were fighting as lhw's and bloody good victories to boot.
     
  10. Legend X

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    They all held titles at middleweight. None of them held titles at light-heavy. And they were ranked as middleweights at the time.
    According to boxrec they all weighed 157 - 163 when Conn beat them, apart from Krieger in the last match when he weighed 166.

    I'm not sure how many ranked light-heavyweights Conn beat before he won the title.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Yeah, if they were champions I definitely would have mentioned it.

    What they were were very good fighters that Conn beat in LHW range.

    So naturally enough i'd count them as LHW wins.

    I did once upon a time say that depending upon how you feel about over the weight matches, Conn was unbeaten at LHW, so I can see regarding them as such, to each his own.

    But to me they are what they are - vanquished opponents in the LHW category, and superb ones.
     
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    #7 Tommy Loughran

    Nicking that precious win against Greb is what finally got him onto this list I guess, but he did away with more than a few champions and fought in that horrific and deep era. Walker, Delaney and Slattery are some highlights from a weird and deep resume.
     
  13. Legend X

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    Fair enough. :good

    They were not pushovers, but if they were not ranked or established at that particular weight division maybe I'd give limited credited for them towards an 'ATG light-heavy resume'.
    Seeing as there were other good fighters around who were ranked at 175 at the time.

    I've seen Rocky Graziano get absolutely savaged (unfairly, imo) on this forum for beating up ranked welterweights and getting a shot at the middleweight title.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    As a LHW he beat 4 HOFer's 6 times as well as Bettina who was easily one of the best LHW's of that day. He also avenged an old loss to krieger.

    Calling that resume any less than ATG is a disservice.
     
  15. Legend X

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    "fighting as light-heavys" means little.
    Generally boxers - even very good ones - are expected to prove themselves at the higher weight.