Amatuer scoring

May as well all turn pro. I can't understand this AIBA bollocks, no head guards at the next Olympics? Do they not realise the problem with cuts, bruising and swelling in tournaments?
They'll never get a consistent scoring method, a blind judge is a blind judge!

 

Envelopes stuffed with money, same as usual...

 

be a much beter game without headguards,i do agree about the cuts being stopped,but only from head clashes,you get punched on the eye with gloves its gonna cut if its gonna cut regardless of headguards.
ive also had grazed eyes,forehead, cheekbones ,lumps around my eyes form the ****ng things,been hit when the ****ing thing slips down and can't see from wearing a head guard.atsch
i can't remember wearing one in sparring and in years i have never had a cut,and none of this bollocks about getting one that fits right,these top class ams are forever moving the headguards everytime they get hit,none of em fit right.

if refs just let em get on with it instead of wiping a bit of blood away from a little nose bleed or stopping the fights on little cuts the am game would be better.
the scoring,well theres always going to be controversy no matter what they do

 

I think they just play it safe big style at the Olympics. The sight of someone bloodied and spark out on the floor isn't an image the Olympics wants to project.

 

3x3 was a major change. We can see people getting tired now, instead of that bull**** 2 minute ****. I agree the shift towards a pro length round was vital and the transition between amateur and pro should be helped.

The headguards need to stay because less chance of cuts and swelling, which is needed given their fighting schedule. The best thing they can do is reduce the thickness of the headguards so they don't look ridiculous, though the ones this year don't look too bad.

I'm happy with a points scoring system. At this stage an amateurs number one learning experience should be to hit and not be hit. That makes sense. Pro scoring would be riddled with bad decisions and fighters brawling. Point scoring is easier for the average joe to understand too. They should have 5 judges and each put in their card of how many times they think the person landed a punch. Then its SD, UD etc

They could introduce interesting aspects like an extra round if it is a draw. An amateur really should be able to to go 4x3. A KD has to be more than 2 points. A boxer needs to be able to feel they can pull the fight back like in a pro fight. I think a KD should be 5 points. When huge gaps have formed through technical dominance, a swing like that is needed.

 

Love this post. If these changes were implemented it would add so much to the game, both in terms of fairness and excitement.

 

Good post, would love to see those changes. :good

 

The good thing about the 10 point must system is, you're rewarding guys in theory anyway, for more than just punches landed. With the am scoring the way it is, which is basically a bootleg compubox. You're just scoring punches landed, which is made even worse because certain number of judges have to press a button simuntaneously for it to register. This creates the awful situation where there is a prolonged exchange, where fighters land at the same time and only one of them gets a point. There's no other criteria or pertinant factors that are taken into account.

This has a huge detrimental affect on development and mentality of young fighters. The message is to just go out there and throw as many punches as possible and see what gets scored. If you're rewarding for effective aggression, defense and ring generalship it will create a more rounded fighter who has to work on those things because there's an incentive to do so. If you don't believe me just look at the effect not scoring body punches in the amateurs has had on the pro game.

Another thing. Shouldn't a fighter get some more credit for causing a standing eight count then the landing of a less effective punch? What is the point of trying to hurt your opponent, if you're not rewarded for your work. Sometimes it can be a disadvantage and work against you to cause a standing count. Say a guy is behind a couple of points, and hurts his opponent. By the time the standing eight is issued, the bell has rang and he's lost the contest. Surely it would be better to automatically give at least a couple of points or take a point away from your opponent for causing a standing count?

 

The 10 points must system is an improvement but we will still see bull**** decisions.

I'd prefer keeping the headguards & have smaller gloves instead but its still an improvement.

The computer scoring system has been one of the most damaging things to ever happen to boxing imo.

 

The best change they've made is not stopping the fight to clean up a nosebleed.

In Beijing, the slightest spec of blood and the fights were being halted for the best part of a minute.

People who buy tickets to watch boxing, amateur or pro, want to see a tear up, a bit of action. It's not a tickling contest. You're not going to come away from a competition and think ''ooh, that was a bit brutal, not going to that again'', you know what you're getting into.

Headguards have got to go, they don't improve safety at all, I'd wager that they actually make things worse. Shots that would ordinarily whiz past a guy's head now land, etc.

I agree with Slip too about the standing counts - you should get a reward for that, because in the grand scheme of things it can hinder you. Giving the opponent the chance to take a breath and regain composure.

 

I think if they went to a 10 point must system then they'd have to use more of the availiable 10 points to fairly score a 3 round fight without having too many draws which is no good for tournament boxing.

I know Prizefighter uses that system and avoids draws but I think (with no proof whatsoever!) the judges are primed to pick a winner.

 

I agree with this, tests have been done that show that they do absolutely nothing. Nothing. It doesn't lessen the impact from the blows and your face is still uncovered so you can still get cut.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/2/9/2788332/study-headgear-does-not-lessen-impact-from-hooks

and you should defintely get rewared for knockdowns and standing 8s, it just doesn't make sense to only get 1 point for it.

 

headguards are a problem,i got told of someone who knew someone else who knew another bloke who knew a chap that knew that headguards make the punch vibrate around the head causing more internal damage than not having one,same thing with 18oz gloves,it makes the impact area massive compared to smaller gloves,i got told this years ago while boxing.

another thing i never sparred with a headguard in 100s and hundreds of rounds,never once got a cut,i got bruised up but never cut,but when i fought with the ****ing thing on in competitive fights i would mark up to ****,more so around the eyes.